Magical word: historical designation. Yup, that can make some of the compliance difficult and not intuitive
Note that ADA covers a litany of items down to the location and size of door handles. A lot of these help you comply very easily. Another example: placards for the visually impaired that denote bathroom gender or that a space is for a phone booth. Also for a phone booth, if you do add some kind of shelf or work surface, it's easy to install the right height and size to comply. Not extra $. :-) Jerome > On May 15, 2017, at 8:44 AM, Angel Kwiatkowski <[email protected]> wrote: > > Indeed. My comments are reflective more of logic not the > lawfulness/compliance of ADA in new construction/remodels. There's a logic in > my thought that no one using a wheelchair could get upstairs so the size of > the closet doesn't matter. If they are sight/hearing/cane using, then size of > closet wouldn't matter. Again, this is logic based, not ADA law-based. > > The historic building that Cohere Bandwidth is in was completely remodeled so > is ADA on the inside but the 8 in step up to our door remained due to > landmark preservation. So, again, the logic of having an 8 inch step-up makes > no sense even *if* the interior is completely ADA. So while ADA is super > critical and important, it doesn't often seam together even with existing > buildings when you have landmark rules in the mix. > >> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:08:34 AM UTC-6, Jerome wrote: >> Clarification: ADA covers all disabilities, even those with a cane, >> partially/fully blind, etc. ADA isn’t just for those in wheelchairs. >> So yeah, that means some disabled people can climb all those stairs. :-/ >> >> >> JEROME CHANG >> >> talk to us: (323) 330-9505 >> chat w/ us: http://www.BLANKSPACES.com/chat >> >> WEST: Santa Monica | 1450 2nd St (@Broadway) >> CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire | 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) >> EAST: Downtown | 529 S. Broadway, Ste 4000 (@Pershing Square) >> >>> On May 15, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Angel Kwiatkowski <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, if someone with a disability somehow found themselves up our 3 >>> exterior stairs, then over a high threshold then up not 1 but 2 flights of >>> stairs into the coworking space--yes, they would probably be upset with our >>> small closets. >>> >>> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 8:58:29 AM UTC-6, Jerome wrote: >>>> >>>>> and before Jerome freaks out about ADA, our building is not ADA >>>>> accessible *at all*. You have to take stairs to get anywhere as it was >>>>> built in 1968 so we didn't have to comply with those modern standards. >>>> >>>> >>>> haha. No freaking out. Just advising from the point of view as both an >>>> architect and coworking owner/operator. >>>> FYI, ADA compliant doesn’t mean 100% of your office or building is >>>> compliant. However, when you renovate/add in general, you would make at >>>> least those items compliant. >>>> Not complying basically says you’re ok with or intentionally >>>> discriminating against others. Sorry, not to sound harsh, but that’s the >>>> intent of the federal level of this law. >>>> >>>> But yes, like Angel said, make do with what you have. >>>> >>>> >>>> JEROME CHANG >>>> >>>> talk to us: (323) 330-9505 >>>> chat w/ us: http://www.BLANKSPACES.com/chat >>>> >>>> WEST: Santa Monica | 1450 2nd St (@Broadway) >>>> CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire | 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) >>>> EAST: Downtown | 529 S. Broadway, Ste 4000 (@Pershing Square) >>>> >>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Angel Kwiatkowski <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think the necessity for phone booths is often born in spaces that are >>>>> smaller and where you can't get away from one another. Our first space >>>>> had 1 space to hide in for calls and it just wasn't enough. For the past >>>>> 5 years, we've had a large closet split into 2 rooms >>>>> http://coherecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Phone_Rooms_Cohere_Coworking_Space.jpg. >>>>> They are very small. 3'x4' and before Jerome freaks out about ADA, our >>>>> building is not ADA accessible *at all*. You have to take stairs to get >>>>> anywhere as it was built in 1968 so we didn't have to comply with those >>>>> modern standards. >>>>> >>>>> Here's the kicker, there is no ventilation in those rooms so after an >>>>> hour you kind of have to leave or you'll die of heatstroke. >>>>> >>>>> Other places to take calls if the phone rooms aren't your preference: >>>>> patio, landing, microniche (another closet turned phone/work area but >>>>> with just a curtain for privacy), drop in conference room, living room. >>>>> We also set the expectation in our orientation packet that you can ask >>>>> the room before you take a call. If it's merely a conference call where >>>>> you will sit quietly until you give your update, then we will usually >>>>> allow you to just stay at your desk. >>>>> >>>>> And like Alex said, if people need to be on the phone much of the day >>>>> (salespeople) I usually steer them away from Cohere before they join. >>>>> Here is a picture of the microniche: >>>>> http://coherecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Micronice2_Cohere_Space.jpg >>>>> And of the landing where people go to take calls >>>>> http://coherecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Landing_Chair_Cohere_Coworking_Space.jpg >>>>> >>>>> Also notable: you don't have to decide what to do until after you open. >>>>> >>>>> Angel >>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 4:08:06 PM UTC-6, Kevin Haggerty wrote: >>>>>> As we start to map out how we're going to layout and organize our space, >>>>>> something we're looking at now is how to provide spaces for phone calls. >>>>>> This is a little tricky because we're upstairs, and also, we don't have >>>>>> a lot of room to work with. >>>>>> That said, we do have several closets that we don't really need for >>>>>> storage, and were playing with the idea of converting them into phone >>>>>> booths. >>>>>> >>>>>> The thought is to replace the doors with ones that have a glass panel, >>>>>> so to create the illusion of more space (less claustrophobic), and to >>>>>> add an aesthetically pleasing hanging light, a stool or stoop seat that >>>>>> doesn't take up much space, a small floating shelf for laptop/phone, an >>>>>> outlet to plug in devices, and some soundproofing panels to help deaden >>>>>> the sound. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have any of you ever tried anything like this? 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