Listen Ken, first get my name right if you want to
correspond with me.
Secondly, I am open to a discussion of ways towards what I
have argued we need (real socialism). But if there is no
agreement on the goal then it is pointless to try to
formulate a common strategy. I didn't notice you agreeing
with my points about overcoming and superceding wage labour
and commodity production. I'm not interested in a reduced
version of socialism. We have had that: social democracy and
bolshevism. Now you want to put utopian socialism back on
the agenda. Well this has been surfacing in one way or
another since the eighteenth century. There is nothing of
politics in your presentations so far. Therefore they are
simply naive. My approach? To get agreement with a large
number of people on what a real socialist world would look
like, then to put in place the appropriate kinds of
political organisation that can fight for that on an
international level. This would be an immense effort and
that is why there would have to be a broad agreement on
goals preceding the discussion of strategy and tactics. But
I'm not going to put forward a puerile blueprint, a
revolution-by-numbers handbook, or something. No I don't
have the plan in that sense and I would be immensely
suspicious of anyone who said they did. As for me deriding
your "plan", well I actually didn't even think it was worth
commenting on. I just used the opportunity to introduce a
few Camatte quotes. And you know what, I'll do that again
just whenever I feel like it. Don't try to browbeat me pal.
When you show me you've got something I can learn from I'll
enter into a political dialogue with you. Right now you're
no more than nuisance value.
Tahir
Tahir
>>> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/17 2:56
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TAmir, my friend, your response below jsut dances around the
same old rheotorical fire. You have not answered word one
about HOW you would realize the noble ideals you mentioned.
So what isf there are a thousand websites promoting
"anti-capitalist" rhetoric. We are ALL anti-capitalist.
But some of us have a plan, and some don't. I've articluted
mine. I understand that you don't agree with it, though you
give no reason for you demurral. But What's YOUR plan,
Stan? Other than deriding others' plans, that is.
Peace,
Ken
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