Just to set the record straight before going to bed...
>No one said the problem is only with the rich
>countries. The US is a rich country. Our problem is not us, but the rich.
Then I misread Mr. North. Sorry, Karl.
BTW, the average american IS a problem (and so is the average european, but
less). Take out the rich and you still have a big problem.
>So what are you proposing? That I join with our resident fascists and
>xenophobes to round up undocumented workers and ship them back to their
>misery? Sorry. Can't do that, and I'll start a fight with anyone who
>does. These are the very people who are my most sought after
>allies--sorry, folks, but they come WAY WAY before alliances with academics
>and comfortable liberals--and when their struggles raise their
>consciousness to the point of boiling and of unity, they will remember who
>was with them and who coldly suggested benign neglect as a strategy to
>incite them. You're right. I don't like it. We marxists are accused of
>being immoral and amoral, and here someone suggests we should refuse food
>to the hungry, or treat people who are seeking their own survival as
>criminals.
Please don't read something else than what I've written. Of course I am not
proposing rounding up undocumented workers. If anything, I'd like to roundup some
of their bosses. Otherwise how would I have managed not to be thrown out of this
list? Of course I care more about those folks than about academics and liberals
(I'm neither). Of course I am on their side. They work for me. I'm just pointing at
some problems. The matter here is not short-term alliances (I agree with you about
what to do now), but long-term difficult issues. Who said "mask no difficulties"?
As to food relief, I wished I was alone to say that it creates lots of problems. Of
course, I'm not for refusing food to the hungry. I'm not that coldly rational.
>You talk about profit, but you don't talk about where profit is created, or
>how. Until you have a grasp of THAT, then your notions about sustainable
>practices, et al, being profitable will fall on deaf ears. Profit is
>created by material exploitation of people and resources. It is ALWAYS
>WITHOUT ANY EXCEPTION created that way. Taling as if profit can be gained
>wihtout exploitation of people and resources is like talking about building
>a fire without oxygen.
Hey, I know that. I'm not THAT stupid. I only fail to be politically correct sometimes.
Anyway, as to the real issue... the point is that profit can be made out of a lot of
different kinds of exploitations, some way more destructive than others. Again,
depends on the conditions.
>It means that in our capitalist epoch,every time there has been a crisis,
>war has been the method for expanding ones resource base and markets, and
>of destroying excess capital. If pointing to the facts is deterministic,
>then I plead guilty.
Any evidence? What do you use as an index for crisis and need for capital
destruction? I'd like to plot a little chart and compare it to the occurences of
wars...
Anyway,
1)There are plenty of other ways to destroy capital. Finance can do it on its own.
F.ex., you heard about those iridium satellites?
2)All crisis are not crisis of overaccumulation. Specifically, a crisis due to
ecological constraints will not be solved by destruction of capital. It might be eased
by cancellation of debt, but that's not what war is about.
>I can not even believe what I am reading here! Don't take this personally,
>but have you been living in a bubble? Between 1970 and 1996, as a soldier,
>I went to eight conflict areas. They were real, and people were being
>killed. Do you know what the body count is in Iraq now?
I'm probably living in some kind of bubble, not unlike most of us...
Anyway, I supposed it was understood that zero-causalty war means zero dead on
one side. Of course they are victims. Besides, you're talking about US deeds. I was
talking about other countries beign less prone to wage wars.
Yours,
"Someone"
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