1) Apologies. Andrej didn't say Otpor is fascist - I misread his text. He indeed said they are disgusting neoliberals. My mistake. 2) Calling them neoliberals is really off the point. A reading of the Helsinki report on the Serbian sham elections gives a far more sinister picture. See http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/srbele.htm I also suggest reading "These Djindjic people are brownshirts" at http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/djindjic.htm 3) Andrej denies he supported the coup. I did a quick search and found two posts from him, one from Oct 2, 3 days before the coup and one from the 8th, three days after. In the first, he offers what certainly appears to be enthusiastic support for the buildup for the coup. He certainly seems to have some idea about what is coming for he says that he dislikes the neoliberals who are in the lead but: "we think that taking Milosevic from the power is top priority now and that ordinary people will benefit from it. Also we hope that we will have more space for our actions here." This is a few days prior to the coup (Oct. 1) He speaks enthusiastically about his friends from Cacak (in a recent post I called it Canak - a typo). He enthusiastically reports that Cacak is blockaded - we now know that this was to permit the unhindered preparation of the Mayor's March on Rome (I mean Belgrade). This was organized by the worst, U.S. paid elements, under notorious Mayor Illic who led the Cacak gang that sacked Parliament, which had made the outrageous error of having a Socialist majority. His second post is in response to an email from Tariq Mahmood who had written, to him "Dear Professor Andrej Grubacic, > where were you when the good old Milosevic was eliminating Muslims in > Bosnia and Croats and Kosovars? > Yours, Tariq Mahmood> Andrej replies: "At the very same place where I was when Muslims , Croats and Kosovars were eliminating Serbs: on the streets," - in other words, he accepts the Western lie of a racist Milosevich government as if it were true. Milosevich NEVER targeted racial groups, period. That's a slander, repeated by all the Z-niks such as Chomsky, Shalom and our Andrej. In fact Milosevich has always been quite anti-racist, for example making it a point of arresting paramilitaries who attacked Albanians in Kosovo.. Grouping him, as Andrej does in the second post, with Tudjman and Izetbegovic, both of them real Fascists, is simply an outrage. Ditto with his description of Milosevich's so-called gangsterism. Milosevich's government, and I have interviewed two of the Ministers (so far I only posted one of two interviews with Banislav Ifkovic on Emperor's Clothes) - their error was clearly that they were super legalistic. They allowed the creation of a U.S.-paid Fifth column, including political parties, "civil society" groups, NGO's like G17 - all financed from Western overt and covert money. U.S. paid trouble makers should have been thrown out of the country or, where appropriate, jailed. Letting the U.S. create and pay an opposition is nuts. Later in his second offering, Andrej says "We have cleaned our backyard, as the old saying goes. I hope that western leftist do realize that it is about time for them to take care of moral monsters , comfortably seated in their governments." "We have cleaned our backyard." What can this mean, to ordinary mortals, when it is posted Oct. 8? Three days after the coup? Except support for the coup and the creation of the Crisis Committees. It is true that he then adds a wish that Western leaders do likewise with their own governments. But since Milosevich was overthrown (which he said was the key thing BEFORE it happened and nows certainly appears to be supporting AFTER it happened) and since nobody is actually overthrowing Western governments, you will forgive me if I say: strip away the bullshit and this means support for the coup from the "left". Now Andrej denies he supported the coup. This sounds like double talk. It is very much like Chomskym who wrote that Milosevich's government installed an "aprheid like" regime in Kosovo - and then when he was criticized for writing this simply denied saying it. With Chomsky and apparently Andrej you can say something and then, like Humpty Dumpty, you can act aghast when somebody has the nerve to take your words at face value because OBVIOUSLY you meant the opposite! Please. Here are the two pieces. Dear friends, > Today (2 October 2000) General Strike started in whole Serbia. We, > anarchists and anarcho-syndicalists from Serbia, are supporting the strike, > even if it is made by opposition which we don't support because of their > nationalistic and neo-liberal views and of course because of our anarchist > believes that political parties are not going to bring anything good to the > people, because we think that taking Milosevic from the power is top > priority now and that ordinary people will benefit from it. Also we hope > that we will have more space for our actions here. > Strike started all over Serbia, including capital Belgrade. Belgrade is > totally closed, main streets are closed down by busses and trams that are on > the stand still. Workers in most of public firms are on strike. Students > from High schools and Universities are protesting also. Proposed strategy by > strikers it that people will start taking over electronic media (which, in > Belgrade especially, are mostly controlled by state) by entering the > buildings and forcing state people out. Milosevic is in panic, he was forced > for the first time to talk himself on television, accusing people who are > striking of being paid by NATO. > Situation in small cities is even better for strikers RTS > (Radio-Television Serbia) locals in few cities stopped announcing state > informations and started informing people about real situation in Serbia. > Our anarcho-syndicalist friends from Cacak (small city in Serbia) told us > that Cacak is totally blocked, that only institution that is working is one > elementary school in which policemans are in, it is planned expulsion of > those policemans out. Also main highway is blocked. > That is news for now. When I have more time I'll send some fresh news... > Andrej Grubacic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:50:03 +0200 Previous message: [CrashList] Fw: A Message of Support to the Serbian people, from a Friend in Greece and London Next message: [CrashList] Fw: A Message of Support to the Serbian people, from a Friend in Greece and London Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Hello, At the very same place where I was when Muslims , Croats and Kosovars were eliminating Serbs: on the streets, protesting about the war and about our myopia of not seeing what sort of a danger US imperialism really do represent on our soil. I was, as all other progressives here, very active in opposing wars in Yugoslavia which were instigated by Euro-American imperialism and conducted by people like Milosevic, Izetbegovic, Kucan and Tudjman. I hope that you are not buying CNN- BBC story of Milosevic as a chief culprit and personification of Balkan "evils"? Milosevic was just one of the many who listened to western dictates and used them for their own, dreadful, purposes. But I am waiting for a moment when people who are more responsible for Yugoslav bloodshed than this pathetic garniture of our local thugs is going to be trailed: power structures of Germany, Imperial States of America, England and so on. We have cleaned our backyard , as the old saying goes. I hope that western leftist do realize that it is about time for them to take care of moral monsters , comfortably seated in their governments. Respectfully, (etc) > Dear Professor Andrej Grubacic, > Well said I like the way you argue. It is very forceful. Would please tell > me where were you when the good old Milosovic was eliminating Muslims in > Bosnia and Croats and Kosovars? > Yours, Tariq Mahmood > _______________________________________________ CrashList website: http://website.lineone.net/~resource_base
