Dear Christian-Emil,

This topic is very interesting. With the CRM, with the intention
to standardize, we always try to be on the safe side of what is
undebatable.
I think it is worthwhile to start a general discussion on family
relations, as an extension of the CRM. I agree with your points below.

I see three cases:

a) a biological relationship through birth and genetic fathershood.
   All related family relation terms can be modelled as deductions or short-cuts
   of relationships through birth.
   I think it is advisable in a real applications to use
   some short-cuts in the data store. There is a trade-off between the
   complexity of paths for grand cousins or whatever, and the reasoning
   needed to resolve shortcuts, such as parents being childs of grand-
   parents. The denser the database, i.e. the more complete about some
   family, the more the CRM solution is advisable.

   I think all cases of genetic motherhood without giving birth herself
   can be modelled as specializations of E67 Birth and P96 by mother (gave 
birth).
   P96 can be interpreted as superproperty of the role of the genetic mother 
and the
   birth-giving woman.

   I would also model under these the "pater est" rule, once it is assumed
   that this is the biological father. I'd argue that the assumption is more
   relevant than reality for our purpose, in the sense that the fatherhood 
stays unchallenged
   and socially relevant/active until better knowledge is acquired.

   Tricky is always how to make a model that is monotonic in the cases
   where knowledge about reality is incomplete.

b) Family relations by legal declaration: What you call a "speech act" I'd see 
as a legal
   act. There is a formal declaration, ceremony or whatever with legal
   consequences, and a following state of validity of this relation.
   This might be covered by an Attribute Assignment, but this might be
   overstretching the concept. I'd propose to investigate that in more detail.
   It may be necessary to also include more informal relationships such as 
engagement.
   May be a thing like a wedding and most other such relation-establishing
   events must be seen as simple activities with different roles of 
participants?

c) Social relations by activity: People can act as father, mother, lovers, 
concubine,
   friend, protector, mentor etc., typically in a temporal bound. I think this 
is
   covered by the CRM and can be specialized down. One could a priori put
   the case b) here, and would not violate anything, except for cases where
   someone actually never acts as expected.

What do you think?

Martin



Christian-Emil Ore wrote:

Dear all,

We (Unit for digital documentation, University of Oslo)  are designing and 
implementing
a database for the historic student matricle at the University of Oslo We want to make the student/person database as CRM-compatible as possible, but my collegue Jon Holmen (who are repsonsible for this project and doing the work) pointed out that CRM is very operational and biologically focused with respect to the core relations between family members (siblings, parents):

A person is in CRM connected to his/her parents through a birth event. That is in priciple perfect and it is easy to convert the information about a student's parents in the registry to a birth event connecting the student to the parents. But in more than very few cases on of the parents can be step parent or the student can be adopted. In a theoretical cultural study sence on may think of a symbolic birth here (eg. giving the birth event a type "symbolic birth" through the has-type property), but I done like that solution. Instead it is more reasonable to think of an adoption as a kind of speech act, like marriage, though mostly in writing. Thus it seems more natural to model the establishment of a formal parential link between persons as an attribute assignment with a special type with a proper shortcut if the information about this speech act is not available or out of scope.

In principle the relation "father child" has until the DNA-test become available, always been a juridical relation, e.g. the "pater est" rule used as a default rule to declare the child's mother's husbond as the child's father in many contries and cultures.


Any comments?

Christian-Emil





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