Let us go for the additional P107.1. We will need a scope note with examples for the .1 and to check the new E85 text which I do not have. Martin can you post that plus the new texts for P143 joined (was joined by) and P144 joined with (gained member by). I am busy for the next few hours but might have time later tonight. Rgds SdS ************************************************************************************************************************************************ P107 has current or former member (is current or former member of)
Domain: E74 Group Range: E39 Actor Quantification: many to many (0,n:0,n) Scope note: This property relates an E39 Actor to the E74 Group of which he or she is a member. Groups, Legal Bodies and Persons, may all be members of Groups. A Group necessarily consists of more than one Person. Examples: Moholy Nagy (E21) is current or former member of Bauhaus (E74) National Museum of Science and Industry (E40) has current or former member The National Railway Museum (E40) *********************************************************************************************************************************************** Stephen Stead Tel +44 20 8668 3075 Mob +44 7802 755 013 E-mail [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: martin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 November 2008 10:58 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] asymmetric relations between people Hi Steve, Christian-Emil, I tend to support the ISSUE. P107.1 would allow us to express in an elegant way a lot of subtleties of social Group structure. The way to denote it by type of Joining you propose is consistent with other shortcuts having a .1 property. On the other side, roles may change after joining. Therefore we may infer a 107.1 from the type of joining, but not vice-versa. Since time is pressing, we'd need a complete proposal with scope notes and everything. As example, I'd suggest a university role ("postgraduate student") or a role in a democratic government ("Foreign Minister"). If you can provide a complete proposal in time, we can vote via e-mail. Best, martin Stephen Stead wrote: > Yes a P107.1 would solve it ("in the role of"). > You could also solve this by typing the E85 Joining as being "Master > joining" or "Client Joining" which would also solve different levels of > membership ie "Associate Member joining" or "Full member joining". > As the " P107 has current or former member (is current or former member of)" > is such a weak link is it really worth the extra clutter? > I am happy to have it if everyone thinks it is worthwhile. > Rgds > SdS > > Stephen Stead > Tel +44 20 8668 3075 > Mob +44 7802 755 013 > E-mail [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: 08 November 2008 16:34 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Crm-sig] asymmetric relations between people > > We have been studing TEI and CRM today. Family relations found in hold > historical sources can be expressed by the use of group. Eg two sisters > are members of a 'sister'-group'. But in many historical sources there > are relations like Master-client, tat is asymmetric relations . There is > no .1 type of being a member of a group. Such a .1 would have solved the > problem. Should this be added before the document goes to ISO? > > Opinions? > > Regards, > Christian-Emil > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | Principle Researcher | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | | Email: [email protected] | | Center for Cultural Informatics | Information Systems Laboratory | Institute of Computer Science | Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | | Vassilika Vouton,P.O.Box1385,GR71110 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | | Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | --------------------------------------------------------------
