Sure, Marco,
I did NOT question SPARQL as an implementation means, even though there
are very relevant
and intuitive second order queries that SPARQL cannot answer. I question
SPARQL as a human-computer
interface.
Cheers,
Martin
On 24/5/2012 9:42 μμ, Marco Neumann wrote:
Martin,
sure, I can see the provocation and obviously fell for it. But you
should keep in mind that Linked Data and SPARQL could be or already
are major drivers for CIDOC CRM vocabulary adoption in cultural
heritage institutions and generally data sets.
I hope this thread will help to foster a good conversation around LD
and CIDOC CRM. I plan to address the issue again in July.
Marco
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:11 PM, martin<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Marco,
I am not sure what W3C recommendations have to do with the cognitive world
experts in the cultural-historical domain.
But with respect to the statement we made,
nobody in our team, including me, could sufficiently fast understand the
respective
150 SPARQL queries to verify that they do what was intended.
I could however put an archaeologist in our team to write queries as
graphs containing
question marks after an hour of training.
We had implemented very different query paradigms for semantic networks
in the past,
which in our environment turned out to cause less cognitive overload.
That's just an empirical statement. Generalization are, as always, as
target of criticism.
I would be happy if our provocation would trigger empirical cognitive
research.
Best,
Martin
On 24/5/2012 12:40 μμ, Dominic Oldman wrote:
Hi Marco,
As Sebastian says, we have to use SPARQL. However, just because it is
the W3C standard doesn't mean you can't criticise it. However, just like
with SQL we are all looking at ways to help museum practitioners (does
this include our curators undertaking digital research projects) explore
data effectively, transparently and with reproducibility, and making use
of the technology with something additional to the SPARQL Endpoint (this
lack of additional tools perhaps explaining lack of take up).
The ICOM statement,
"Alternative Proposal for an ICOM-CIDOC Resolution on URIs for Museum
Objects / Linked Open Data", is more high level statement and the
statement that we are currently being asked to agree. It doesn't mention
SPARQL.
Best,
Dominic
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Subject: [Crm-sig] problem of formulating queries is SPARQL it has
transferred the old relational paradigm onto the graph structure?
Hi Martin et al
I have just learned about this submission to Museums and the Web. The
authors make the following statement:
"Last but not least, another problem of formulating queries is SPARQL
(SPARQL Protocol and RDF Query Language). Most favored by information
technology (IT) experts, it has transferred the old relational
paradigm onto the graph structure of the Semantic Web, creating an
incredibly complex system, even for specialists. In our applications,
no IT expert was able to verify that a SPARQL query of the kind we
present in this paper will yield the results intended by a domain
expert simply by reading it." *
*
A New Framework for Querying Semantic Networks - Museums and the Web
2012
http://www.museumsandtheweb.com/mw2012/papers/a_new_framework_for_queryi
ng_semantic_networks
I find this to be a misleading statement by the authors since SPARQL
is the recommendation by W3C to query RDF data. Would you not
recommend SPARQL to museum practitioners to query RDF data?
Regards,
Marco
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