Hi Michael,

Sorry about the lag in response, we're heading towards a project deadline
and going like the clappers.  :-)

Thanks for the message and tips!  Wow... how timely, we've just been
exploring some of this (agent's names and bibliographic data) with our
first four datasets:

   - Australian Dictionary of Biography
   - Australian Women's Register
   - Design and Art Australia Online
   - Encyclopedia of Australian Science

We have Barry Humphries (performer) as one of our test cases and Patrick
White (writer).  One glance at the World Cat Identities for Barry
Humphries<http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n82-125717>
... makes your eyes roll.  I'd not heard of
CISAC<http://www.cisac.org/CisacPortal/security.do;jsessionid=4431DC6BD380F131CCFFFE0CDABC9D1C?method=beforeAuthenticate>or
IPDA
<http://www2.ipddb.org/>before.  We'll be looking first off with aligning
the data and linking to the PeopleAustralia service run out of the National
Library of Australia <https://wiki.nla.gov.au/display/peau/Home> and the
roles of agents (people or organisations) as creator, producer etc.  Really
useful to see this material.

Not too sure where we will get to with bibliographic data, as we plow
though the datasets we'll find out how much of it is citation in nature
(first level of cataloguing at the utmost) or more.  So the tip on
ONIX<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONIX_for_Books>is welcome as well as
<indecs> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indecs_Content_Model>.  Wondering
immediately about capacity to use library bibliographic data (linked data)
to this end rather than trying to structure the data further.

Gosh, one look at the Rush presentation from 2005 at the same time made me
want to read it and blink.  Fabulous stuff.

I'll be keeping my eyes on this list for the project and we'll be in touch
if anything of interest pops up you all might like to know about.

Best wishes, Ingrid


On 8 October 2012 21:09, Michael Hopwood <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello Ingrid,
>
> Great to hear of your interesting project work.
>
> Since you're covering a lot of ground I have worked on recently (CRM,
> FRBRoo, EDM, LIDO...) I wanted to mention a couple of other things you
> might want to look at:
>
> 1. Names:
>
> FOAF is alright if you are thinking of data about real people ("natural
> person") but there are 2 other aspects to consider - "personas" (public
> identities which may be "real names" but also pseudonyms, pen names, stage
> names etc.) and "presentations" (textual variations known to represent the
> same "persona", e.g. J. R. R. Tolkien versus John Tolkien).
>
> Some of these questions are discussed in...
> http://www.bic.org.uk/files/pdfs/namenumbers.pdf and
> http://www.interparty.org/presentations/functional_requirements.ppt and
> http://www.interparty.org/presentations/metadata.ppt
>
> ...but primarily the place to look is http://www.isni.org/ as this
> implements the ideas.
>
> 2. Publisher data:
>
> It might be worth having a look at ONIX 3.0 which has authoritative
> mappings ("crosswalks") with MARC21 already (see
> http://www.oclc.org/research/news/2012/05-21.html and also
> http://www.doi.org/VMF/documents/VocabularyMappingFrameworkIntroductionV1.0%28091212%29.pdffor
>  the controlled vocabularies aspects).
>
> 3. Ontologies:
>
> Finally, although maybe your heard about these things already, I'll just
> mention that parallel to CIDOC-CRM and FRBRoo, there is another ontology
> used in the commercial world based on the <indecs> project that may be
> worth a look...
>
> http://www.doi.org/topics/indecs/indecs_framework_2000.pdf - note it is
> hosted at DOI as it forms the data model for DOI registration metadata.
>
>
> http://www.oclc.org/content/dam/research/activities/frbr/frbr-workshop/presentations/050502_Godfrey_Rust_FRBR_presentation.ppt-
>  more details on modelling issues - extremely comprehensive...
>
> Best wishes and thanks again,
>
> Michael Hopwood
> Linked Heritage Project Lead
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