Thanks for your reply Ingrid, Really interesting that you're using an archival standard to describe agents/parties. I read the paper (http://www.valaconf.org.au/vala2008/papers2008/116_Dewhurst_Final.pdf) about it, so I can really see the value of using this standard (it's new to me as a librarian).
Linking data via agents' roles seems to be big business at the moment - in fact, here in Linked Heritage we are looking at it too (using MARC relator codes, ONIX for Books code list 17, ULAN roles..) - if you contact our technical and/or data modelling partners you may be able to share some useful expertise. See also http://www.cidoc2012.fi/en/File/1663/simou.pdf about our first attempts at linking heritage data. One thing I would say about linking data and structuring data is that they go together very, very well; as in: "In practice, the quality of Linked data implementations is only as good as the data you are linking to, and the meaning and contextualisation of the link you use..." http://www.doi.org/doi_handbook/5_Applications.html#5.4 I enjoyed reading about the projects - a big part of my family is Australian so it's a bit like coming home for me :) M From: Ingrid Mason - HuNI Project [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 16 October 2012 03:15 To: Michael Hopwood Cc: [email protected]; Conal Tuohy; Anne Cregan Subject: Re: CIDOC-CRM in Australian humanities virtual laboratory project: HuNI Hi Michael, Sorry about the lag in response, we're heading towards a project deadline and going like the clappers. :-) Thanks for the message and tips! Wow... how timely, we've just been exploring some of this (agent's names and bibliographic data) with our first four datasets: * Australian Dictionary of Biography * Australian Women's Register * Design and Art Australia Online * Encyclopedia of Australian Science We have Barry Humphries (performer) as one of our test cases and Patrick White (writer). One glance at the World Cat Identities for Barry Humphries<http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n82-125717>... makes your eyes roll. I'd not heard of CISAC<http://www.cisac.org/CisacPortal/security.do;jsessionid=4431DC6BD380F131CCFFFE0CDABC9D1C?method=beforeAuthenticate> or IPDA <http://www2.ipddb.org/> before. We'll be looking first off with aligning the data and linking to the PeopleAustralia service run out of the National Library of Australia<https://wiki.nla.gov.au/display/peau/Home> and the roles of agents (people or organisations) as creator, producer etc. Really useful to see this material. Not too sure where we will get to with bibliographic data, as we plow though the datasets we'll find out how much of it is citation in nature (first level of cataloguing at the utmost) or more. So the tip on ONIX<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONIX_for_Books> is welcome as well as <indecs><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indecs_Content_Model>. Wondering immediately about capacity to use library bibliographic data (linked data) to this end rather than trying to structure the data further. Gosh, one look at the Rush presentation from 2005 at the same time made me want to read it and blink. Fabulous stuff. I'll be keeping my eyes on this list for the project and we'll be in touch if anything of interest pops up you all might like to know about. Best wishes, Ingrid On 8 October 2012 21:09, Michael Hopwood <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hello Ingrid, Great to hear of your interesting project work. Since you're covering a lot of ground I have worked on recently (CRM, FRBRoo, EDM, LIDO...) I wanted to mention a couple of other things you might want to look at: 1. Names: FOAF is alright if you are thinking of data about real people ("natural person") but there are 2 other aspects to consider - "personas" (public identities which may be "real names" but also pseudonyms, pen names, stage names etc.) and "presentations" (textual variations known to represent the same "persona", e.g. J. R. R. Tolkien versus John Tolkien). Some of these questions are discussed in... http://www.bic.org.uk/files/pdfs/namenumbers.pdf and http://www.interparty.org/presentations/functional_requirements.ppt and http://www.interparty.org/presentations/metadata.ppt ...but primarily the place to look is http://www.isni.org/ as this implements the ideas. 2. Publisher data: It might be worth having a look at ONIX 3.0 which has authoritative mappings ("crosswalks") with MARC21 already (see http://www.oclc.org/research/news/2012/05-21.html and also http://www.doi.org/VMF/documents/VocabularyMappingFrameworkIntroductionV1.0%28091212%29.pdf for the controlled vocabularies aspects). 3. Ontologies: Finally, although maybe your heard about these things already, I'll just mention that parallel to CIDOC-CRM and FRBRoo, there is another ontology used in the commercial world based on the <indecs> project that may be worth a look... http://www.doi.org/topics/indecs/indecs_framework_2000.pdf - note it is hosted at DOI as it forms the data model for DOI registration metadata. http://www.oclc.org/content/dam/research/activities/frbr/frbr-workshop/presentations/050502_Godfrey_Rust_FRBR_presentation.ppt - more details on modelling issues - extremely comprehensive... 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