Snapdrgn and the associated projects for prosopographical information (prosopographies) can be a case study and serve as a source of information/evidence. It is only a 2-3 years project. However, it can be a task to see how to map the snapdrgn ontology (which is expressed in rdf(s) I believe) to CRM. If we cannot do that, CRM needs adjustment or amendments. I will try to make the mapping and study the matter further. C-E
>-----Original Message----- >From: Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of martin >Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 3:31 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] groups and relations between persons > >Dear Christian-Emil, > >I could quite well imagine having a sort of more general Group describing a >social bond that would not involve members potentially "acting as one" or one >speaking for them. >In that case, that Group would no more be "one Actor". > >Would you regard http://snapdrgn.net/ as a good practical scope? Do you >have other sources to map from? > >If we have a practical scope, we can model things. >Do you propose an amendment to the CRM or a "social" extension? > >Best, > >Martin > > >On 4/8/2014 2:38 μμ, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote: >> Dear all, >> This is not a part of the discussion in April about groups and >> aggregations. It is groups as a way to model relations between persons >(actors). I gave a presentation about CRM and prosopography at the DH2014 >workshop "Ontologies for prosopography" (see >http://edd.uio.no/artiklar/DH2014/C-E_Ore_prosopography.pdf ). >> >> The current CRM way to model relations between persons is to use the E74 >Group. A relation is modeled as an instance of E74 Group and the type of >relation is expressed via P2 has Type. In a non-symmetric relation each person >is linked via 'P107 is current or former member of ' specified by 'P107.1 >kind of >member'. This is all according to the scope note in CRM. >> >> One may note that an instance of E74 Group used in this way represents an >instance, an n-tuple, of a relation (seen as a set of n-tuples as in >mathematics >or in relational databases). The relation is identified by the type of the E74 >group. >> >> I was a little skeptical when this way of modeling relations where introduced >in CRM. My first thought was to define explicit, typed properties. After >studying how for example the SNAP (Standards for Networking Ancient >Prosopographies, http://snapdrgn.net/) tries to cope with their at least 65 >identified relations between persons by introducing a relation class in RDFS, I >realized that the CRM solution is very good. >> >> Since this is not meant to be a statement about me and CRM, I will raise two >issues which I think need some discussion. >> >> 1) E74 Group scope note "This class comprises any gatherings or >organizations of two or more people that act collectively or in a similar way >due to any form of unifying relationship.[...]" Will all related persons >fulfill the >requirement " act collectively or in a similar way due to any form of unifying >relationship", that is, is E74 Group too narrow to be used to model all kind of >relations between persons like the ones we find in prosopography? >> >> 2) The modeling of relations by 'P107 is current or former member of ' >specified by 'P107.1 kind of member': If this is to be implemented in RDF(S), >should we in the CRM definition recommend or at list hint to a good solution >to implement the .1 E55 Type properties? >> >> Regards, >> Christian-Emil >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >> > > >-- > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | > Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | > | Email: [email protected] | > | > Center for Cultural Informatics | > Information Systems Laboratory | > Institute of Computer Science | > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | > | > N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | > | > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Crm-sig mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
