I have sent the BM models and interface.
It is stuck in the list because of the size of attachement. D ________________________________ From: martin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Money, money, money... Dear All, I think the issue of business transactions with monetary exchange and other exchange goods is overdue. In order to address this in CRM-SIG, we need a some database schema/ data structure in scope we can take as empirical material. I believe acquisition of museum objects is one area of application. Another, I was just recently pointed to, is transcription of Bronce Age texts. Please propose as many data structures as possible to study requirements. Best, Martin On 6/2/2015 2:12 πμ, Stephen Stead wrote: > Dan > I stick by my original points. > It is not P16 used specific object unless you want to refer to a particular > coin or note ie this is the coin that was used to buy the pen that was used > to sign the treaty. > Rgds > SdS > > Stephen Stead > Tel +44 20 8668 3075 > Mob +44 7802 755 013 > E-mail [email protected] > LinkedIn Profile http://uk.linkedin.com/in/steads > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Matei > Sent: 05 February 2015 20:48 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [Crm-sig] Money, money, money... > > Dear all > > I have to state a "simple" fact: "The object X is purchased with Y euro." > > I found the 2011 discussion between Vladimir Alexiev and Stephen Stead on > this topic: > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/pipermail/crm-sig/2011-November/001693.html > > I'm not quite happy with their conclusion :-( > > Two issues: > > A. The relationship between the purchasing event and the money paid > > I think that the natural relationship between the crm:E8_Acquisition and the > amount paid (Y) is crm:P16_used_specific_object. > > [P16 SN: This property describes the use of material or immaterial things in > a way essential to the performance or the outcome of an E7 Activity.] > > The money is "essential to the performance" of the acquisition, no ? :-) > > > B. Which is the right class of the "money" ? > > B.1. The amount is a crm: E72_Legal_Object, right ? > > [E72 SN: This class comprises those material or immaterial items to which > instances of E30 Right, such as the right of ownership or use, can be > applied.] > > Rights apply to money, right ? > > So, my (first) solution is: > > [ > { > "@id": "#X", > "@type": "crm:E22_Man-Made_Object", > "statement": { > "@id": "#s1", > "predicate": "crm:P24i_changed_ownership_through", > "object": "#purchase" > } > }, > { > "@id": "#purchase", > "@type": "crm:E8_Acquisition", > "statement": { > "@id": "#s2", > "predicate": "crm:P16_used_specific_object", > "predicateQualifier": "#amountPaid", > "object": "#price" > } > }, > { > "@id": "#price", > "@type": "crm:E72_Legal_Object", > "statement": [ > { > "@id": "#s3", > "predicate": "crm:P2_has_type", > "object": "#currency" > }, > { > "@id": "#s4", > "predicate": "crm:P43_has_dimension", > "object": "#amount" > } > ] > }, > { > "@id": "#amount", > "@type": "crm:E54_Dimension", > "statement": [ > { > "@id": "#s5", > "predicate": "crm:P2_has_type", > "object": "#sum" > }, > { > "@id": "#s6", > "predicate": "crm:P90_has_value", > "object": { > "@value": "Y", > "@type": "xsd:integer" > } > }, > { > "@id": "#s7", > "predicate": "crm:P91_has_unit", > "object": "#euro" > } > ] > } > ] > > A bit long... And the entity #price do not tells much. > > > B.2. An amount of money is not an instance of crm: E54_Dimension ? > > [E54 SN: An instance of E54 Dimension represents the true quantity, > independent from its numerical approximation, e.g. in inches or in cm.] > > A sum of money is not "a true quantity" ? I'm inclined to the affirmative. > So, if I understand correctly the E54, I could use a double instantiation > and shorten a bit my solution: > > [ > { > "@id": "#X", > "@type": "crm:E22_Man-Made_Object", > "statement": { > "@id": "#s1", > "predicate": "crm:P24i_changed_ownership_through", > "object": "#purchase" > } > }, > { > "@id": "#purchase", > "@type": "crm:E8_Acquisition", > "statement": { > "@id": "#s2", > "predicate": "crm:P16_used_specific_object", > "predicateQualifier": "#amountPaid", > "object": "#price" > } > }, > { > "@id": "#price", > "@type": [ > "crm:E72_Legal_Object", > "crm:E54_Dimension" > ], > "statement": [ > { > "@id": "#s3", > "predicate": "crm:P2_has_type", > "object": [ > "#currency", > "#sum" > ] > }, > { > "@id": "#s4", > "predicate": "crm:P90_has_value", > "object": { > "@value": "Y", > "@type": "xsd:integer" > } > }, > { > "@id": "#s5", > "predicate": "crm:P91_has_unit", > "object": "#euro" > } > ] > } > ] > > I.e. the amount of money is in the same time an instance of E72 AND E54. > > Is that legitimate ? > > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | | Email: [email protected] | | Center for Cultural Informatics | Information Systems Laboratory | Institute of Computer Science | Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | | N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | | Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Crm-sig mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
