- There no truth in art. Every artist attribution is an opinion, even if its probability is 100%. - There is a gradient, not a dualism: There are +250 versions of "not quite Rembrant", just like there are +250 versions of gender in Facebook. Their frequency is tailed. Best, Max
Dr. phil. Maximilian Schich www.schich.info On Feb 20, 2015, at 10:13, martin <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Simon, Dan, > > I'd argue that "fake" is genuine property of the E12 Production > event itself. The "new" Van Meegeren works were ingenious creations of art. > The intention to make people believe they were from another painter should be > sort of a plan . That Van Meegeren is > still not recognized as one of the great artists is a social question (or > problem). > > How to model the intention of deceipt? I'd say it needs a goal, which is > characterized by the > propositions of a future state (people believing), and a method, how to > achieve that - another > set of propositions (signature, painting style). This looks similar to and > argument in CRMInf. > Funny problem with a lot of Named Graphs. > > Does anyone like to draw a graph? > > Cheers, > > Martin > > On 19/2/2015 11:00 μμ, Dan Matei wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Simon Spero <[email protected]> >> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:37:52 -0500 >> >>> The Fake work was created to induce a false belief that the work has a >>> certain identity, and a belief that the creator was TPR. >> That's my case ! And not simple situations like fake coins (when the >> similarity with the original is the point), but works of art made "a la >> maniere de" say, Rubens by an unidentified "artist". The style is >> replicated, not a work. >> >> And I want to emphesize the intent to deceive. >> >>> Van Meegeren, père et fils, present an interesting test case for the new >>> model. It is easy to think of realistic questions that historians might >>> wish to ask a unified system- >>> What works in the style of Vermeer exist, in which collections? >>> What are the paintings that are currently believed to be Vermeers? >>> What are the paintings that were believed to be Vermeers in 1938? >>> In 1951? >>> What paintings are currently believed to be Fake Vermeers? >>> What justification is there for these beliefs? >> Right ! >> >> Dan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | > Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | > | Email: [email protected] | > | > Center for Cultural Informatics | > Information Systems Laboratory | > Institute of Computer Science | > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | > | > N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | > | > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
