Dear Franco,

This rises two important methodological questions (also supporting Christian-Emils response) :

On 19/2/2016 3:50 μμ, Franco Niccolucci wrote:
The correct definition mentioned by Christian-Emile refers to what I would call 
“stand-alone” intangible heritage.

But, there is always an intangible component in tangible heritage, for example 
what turns a stone into heritage.
In the CRM, as a principle, we reject this inversion of agency or causality, which is common in the scholarly discourse: The stone does nothing, it does not change. Therefore it cannot turn into heritage. Only people can start regarding it as heritage. People regarding it as heritage will be supported by evidence about how people treat the stone or refer to the stone. When the stone becomes (passively) heritage, there must be human activities which are the cause, including human products such as texts, paintings etc. All this can be quite well documented in the CRM. If the stone were the cause, different cultures couldn't have different perceptions about the stone. So, I am not sure what else we would like to put into a formal ontology? If we have evidence that the stone itself changes, we will model it.
(We could discuss Buddha's footprints next week?).
This is hard to document together with the artifacts. One may have the (perhaps 
wrong) impression that the CRM focuses on the tangible details rather than on 
the equally important intangible ones.
The CRM focusses on what we find in documentation structures. Surprisingly, museum databases do not much analyze in formal fields such "intangibles". I rember a workshop on history of art in Rome. Asking about their concept of "work", participants clearly stated to me that they do not want to discuss such a concept. In the end, librarians did, and then we modelled it. There has never been any other judgement of focus in the CRM than data structures maintained by relevant communities, and the ability to assign an intersubjective identity to the entities we model, because otherwise they would not integrate with other data.

Of course, if relevant communities do not communicate with us , we miss relevant foci ;-)

best,

martin

Franco

Prof. Franco Niccolucci
Director, VAST-LAB
PIN - U. of Florence
Scientific Coordinator
ARIADNE - PARTHENOS

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Il giorno 19 feb 2016, alle ore 14:29, Christian-Emil Smith Ore 
<[email protected]> ha scritto:

Intangible cultural heritage has partly become a buzz-word. However, the term is ok. 
Documentation of intangible cultural heritage has indeed very long traditions. This is 
what scholars in field linguistics, philology, onomasiology  etnogragraphy/etnology, 
social anthropologists  etc etc have been doing for centuries. It is nothing new here. On 
should remember that an ontology is used to describe the way we can conceptualise our 
understanding of the "intangible" in order to document it.

The UNESCO declaration is also quite clear, see below.  In the CRM universe 
FRBRoo is the most suitable ontology. Patrick Le Boeuf has given several 
presentations on this.

Chr-Emil

1. The “intangible cultural heritage” means the practices, representations, 
expressions,
knowledge, skills – as well as the instruments, objects, artefacts and cultural 
spaces associated
therewith – that communities, groups and, in some cases, individuals recognize 
as part of their
cultural heritage. This intangible cultural heritage, transmitted from 
generation to generation,
is constantly recreated by communities and groups in response to their 
environment, their
interaction with nature and their history, and provides them with a sense of 
identity and
continuity, thus promoting respect for cultural diversity and human creativity. 
For the
purposes of this Convention, consideration will be given solely to such 
intangible cultural
heritage as is compatible with existing international human rights instruments, 
as well as with
the requirements of mutual respect among communities, groups and individuals, 
and of
sustainable development.

2. The “intangible cultural heritage”, as defined in paragraph 1 above, is 
manifested inter
alia in the following domains:
(a) oral traditions and expressions, including language as a vehicle of the 
intangible
cultural heritage;
(b) performing arts;
(c) social practices, rituals and festive events;
(d) knowledge and practices concerning nature and the universe;
(e) traditional craftsmanship.



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Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Recording Intangible Cultural Heritage

Dear Phil,

"Intangible heritage" is a bit a buzzword. I suggest to identify different
senses:

A) A particular activity, in particular performances. FRBRoo contains a model
for that, but that can be refined. My colleague George Bruseker has worked
on ome issues, may be other crm-sig members have.

B) A type of activity characteristic for a community, culture. Could be
technical know how, ceremonies etc.
This requires a pattern model as in ecology, which "rises" CRM properties to
a "typically..." metalevel. We have examples from biodiversity, may be other
crm-sig members have such models.
Each pattern is supported by evidence by individual events.

C) An oral tradition. These are Information Objects, the carriers being people.
A slight modification of FRBRoo could cover the details.

Comments?

Best,

Martin

On 19/2/2016 12:43 μμ, Carlisle, Philip wrote:


        Hi all,

        I’m resending this as it didn’t appear to get through.





        As you may know the Arches Project has been using the CRM as the
backbone for a cultural heritage inventory system. This is working well and is
being implemented by many projects.



        One such project now wants to use Arches to record intangible
heritage and so needs to create resource graphs, based on an ontology, in
order to do this.



        Can the CRM be used to represent the intangible heritage? If not
does anyone know of an ontology that can?



        Phil



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