By immediate I mean without mediator. Either instrument or human senses.
"Unmittelbar" in German, "amesa" in Greek...
(https://dict.leo.org/ende/index_de.html#/search=immediate&searchLoc=0&resultOrder=basic&multiwordShowSingle=on&pos=0)
Don't know?
Cheers,
Martin
On 8/12/2016 6:27 μμ, Øyvind Eide wrote:
Dear Martin,
I understand your rationale. However, it is a tricky question as the
words are used in different ways in different disciplines.
Objectivity is used in this way in CRM before, so fine. Immediate is
not. To me the word ‘immediate’ indicates that the results are
established without human interaction — it is surely a language
problem. Would ‘direct’ instead of ‘immediate’ work?
English first language’rs, any views?
Regards,
Øyvind
7. des. 2016 kl. 21:07 skrev martin <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
Dear Oeyvind,
"objective" may be an overkill. I thought of using a yardstick, which
compare the Yardstick with the item by human senses. The method is
objective. Do you have examples of non-objective measurements? The
term "immediate" I would not like to drop, because I want to make
clear that evaluation of documents is not regarded as measurement.
"Remote sensing" still requires the sensors to be in place at the
time. Astronomy is not a priority domain for us, but "measuring" a
Supernova at several thousand light years distance would require
measuring a Supernova signasl arriving at us. So, for me measurement
means being in immediate contact with the measured.
Would that make sense?
Cheers,
Martin
On 7/12/2016 11:36 πμ, Øyvind Eide wrote:
Dear Martin,
I think the following claim is too strong: “a systematic, objective
procedure of immediate observation” I think both objective and
immediate have to be qualified in order to be used in this context.
As the last paragraph describes the process in some detail, the
reference to objectivity and immediateness can also just be removed.
All the best,
Øyvind
24. nov. 2016 kl. 17:04 skrev martin <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
Dear All,
After consultation with Achille and Thanasi, here my proposed scope
note for E16. The idea is to introduce S4 Observation and
Observable Entity into CRM proper.
*Old Scope note:*
E16 Measurement
Subclass of:E13 <x-msg://15/#_E13_Attribute_Assignment> Attribute
Assignment
Scope note: This class comprises actions measuring physical
properties and other values that can be determined by a systematic
procedure.
Examples include measuring the monetary value of a collection of
coins or the running time of a specific video cassette.
The E16 Measurement may use simple counting or tools, such as
yardsticks or radiation detection devices. The interest is in the
method and care applied, so that the reliability of the result may
be judged at a later stage, or research continued on the associated
documents. The date of the event is important for dimensions, which
may change value over time, such as the length of an object subject
to shrinkage. Details of methods and devices are best handled as
free text, whereas basic techniques such as "carbon 14 dating"
should be encoded using /P2 has type (is type of:) E55 Type/.
Examples:
§measurement of height of silver cup 232 on the 31^st August 1997
§the carbon 14 dating of the “Schoeninger Speer II” in 1996 [an
about 400.000 years old Palaeolithic complete wooden spear found in
Schoeningen, Niedersachsen, Germany in 1995]
In First Order Logic:
E16(x) ⊃E13(x)
Properties:
P39 <x-msg://15/#_P39_measured_%28was_measured%20by%29:> measured
(was measured by): E1 <x-msg://15/#_E1_CRM_Entity> CRM Entity
P40 <x-msg://15/#_P40_observed_dimension_%28was%20observe> observed
dimension (was observed in): E54 <x-msg://15/#_E54_Dimension> Dimension
*New Scope Note:*
E16 Measurement
Subclass of:E13 <x-msg://15/#_E13_Attribute_Assignment> Attribute
Assignment
Scope note: This class comprises actions measuring quantitative
physical properties and other values that can be determined by a
systematic, objective procedure of immediate observation of
particular states of physical reality. Properties of instances of
E90 Symbolic Object may be measured via observing some of their
representative carriers.
Examples include measuring the nominal monetary value of a
collection of coins or the running time of a movie on a specific
video cassette.
The E16 Measurement may use simple counting or tools, such as
yardsticks or radiation detection devices. The interest is in the
method and care applied, so that the reliability of the result may
be judged at a later stage, or research continued on the associated
documents. The date of the event is important for dimensions, which
may change value over time, such as the length of an object subject
to shrinkage. Methods and devices employed should be associated
with instances of E16 Measurement by properties such as /P33 used
specific technique,/ /P125 used object of type/,/P16 used specific
object/, whereas basic techniques such as "carbon 14 dating" should
be encoded using /P2 has type (is type of:) E55 Type/. Details of
methods and devices reused or reusable in other instances of E16
Measurement should be documented for these entities rather than the
measurements themselves, whereas details of particular execution
may be documented by free text or by instantiating adequate
subactivities, if the detail may be of interest for an overarching
query.
Regardless whether a measurement is made by an instrument or by
human senses, it represents the initial transition from physical
reality to information without any other documented information
object in between in the reasoning chain that would represent the
result of the interaction of the observer or device with reality.
Therefore, inferring properties of depicted items using image
material, such as satellite images, is not regarded as instance of
E16 Measurement, but as another form of subsequent attribute
assignment. Rather, the production of the images themselves is
regarded as instance of E16 Measurement. The same reasoning holds
for other sensor data.
Examples:
§measurement of height of silver cup 232 on the 31^st August 1997
§the carbon 14 dating of the “Schoeninger Speer II” in 1996 [an
about 400.000 years old Palaeolithic complete wooden spear found in
Schoeningen, Niedersachsen, Germany in 1995]
In First Order Logic:
E16(x) ⊃E13(x)
Properties:
P39 <x-msg://15/#_P39_measured_%28was_measured%20by%29:> measured
(was measured by): E1 <x-msg://15/#_E1_CRM_Entity> CRM Entity
P40 <x-msg://15/#_P40_observed_dimension_%28was%20observe> observed
dimension (was observed in): E54 <x-msg://15/#_E54_Dimension> Dimension
Best,
Martin
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