On 5/21/2018 9:39 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote:
'in-principle' is in principle ok, but the term gives a hint that what
follows is not the case. At least for persons with knwlegde of the life in the
former Soviet block.
Don't agree, may need a better term. If someone dances on the road, but
nobody is there, because the road is closed, it is not
observable, because there is no observer. But the same kind of event, in
other circumstances, could be observed. There is nothing in intrinsic to
itself which prevents observation.
A better idea how to say that?
Cheers,
Martin
It is better dropped.
Best,
Christian-Emil
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Prof. Franco Niccolucci
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Attempt of a new one:
Scope note: This class comprises in-principle observable,
I think that the CRM concerns ONLY observables; if so, the specification is
superfluous.
distinct and delimited processes of material nature, in cultural, social or
physical systems, even in a human brain,
Definitely FORTH must have developed a telepathy machine :).
What happens in the human brain is observable only (indirectly) with
electro-encephalogram and the like, so: if this is the intended meaning, it is
just a physical process as any other, e.g. those involving human like blood
pressure vslue, hearth beat, etc. and not worth special mentioning. If instead
this statement refers to (suggests?) observation of thinking, this is (luckily)
not observable.
involving and affecting in a characteristic way instances of E77 Persistent
Item, brought about by some coherent physical, social or technological
phenomena. An instance of E5 Event may or may not
Only what *may* be affected, or *may not* be affected, somehow supports an
identity criterium. What may or may not be affected looks as irrelevant,
because we cannot understand from the consequences (or lack thereof) that some
event took place, leading to an observed change (or lack of change), because
the event may or may not have led to such change.
lead
to relevant permanent changes of properties and relations of items involved in
it.
Properties and kinds of things that may be affected are characteristic for the
type of an event.
This is somehow contradictory with the previous statement: it states that there are
things that may be affected, and other things that may not; perhaps also a third
grouping that “may or may not". In all, it is a bit messy.
Franco
please comment!
Best,
Martin
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