There is a subtle difference between “observed” and “observable”: “observed" is
an “accident”, “observable” is “substance”.
So the lone moonlight dance is not observed for lack of observers, although it
is observable. What the dancer thinks during the performance, and by the way
also his intention to do so, are, instead, not observable, therefore can never
observed, a fortiori.
Incidentally, the Event is defined as a change of state of some E77 Persistent
Item, which curiously has participants as per P11, and also voyeurs as per P12,
but cannot affect (=change the state of) anything for the lack of the related
property e.g. P?? affects E77.
What’s the problem with the old scope note?
Franco
Prof. Franco Niccolucci
Director, VAST-LAB
PIN - U. of Florence
Scientific Coordinator
ARIADNE - PARTHENOS
Piazza Ciardi 25
59100 Prato, Italy
> Il giorno 21 mag 2018, alle ore 21:43, Martin Doerr <[email protected]> ha
> scritto:
>
> On 5/21/2018 9:39 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote:
>> 'in-principle' is in principle ok, but the term gives a hint that what
>> follows is not the case. At least for persons with knwlegde of the life in
>> the former Soviet block.
> Don't agree, may need a better term. If someone dances on the road, but
> nobody is there, because the road is closed, it is not
> observable, because there is no observer. But the same kind of event, in
> other circumstances, could be observed. There is nothing in intrinsic to
> itself which prevents observation.
>
> A better idea how to say that?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin
>>
>> It is better dropped.
>>
>> Best,
>> Christian-Emil
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Crm-sig <[email protected]> on behalf of Franco Niccolucci
>> <[email protected]>
>> Sent: 21 May 2018 19:39
>> To: Martin Doerr
>> Cc: crm-sig
>> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Scope note of event
>>
>> see below
>> F.
>>
>> Prof. Franco Niccolucci
>> Director, VAST-LAB
>> PIN - U. of Florence
>> Scientific Coordinator
>> ARIADNE - PARTHENOS
>>
>> Piazza Ciardi 25
>> 59100 Prato, Italy
>>
>>
>>> Attempt of a new one:
>>>
>>>
>>> Scope note: This class comprises in-principle observable,
>> I think that the CRM concerns ONLY observables; if so, the specification is
>> superfluous.
>>
>>> distinct and delimited processes of material nature, in cultural, social or
>>> physical systems, even in a human brain,
>> Definitely FORTH must have developed a telepathy machine :).
>>
>> What happens in the human brain is observable only (indirectly) with
>> electro-encephalogram and the like, so: if this is the intended meaning, it
>> is just a physical process as any other, e.g. those involving human like
>> blood pressure vslue, hearth beat, etc. and not worth special mentioning. If
>> instead this statement refers to (suggests?) observation of thinking, this
>> is (luckily) not observable.
>>
>>> involving and affecting in a characteristic way instances of E77
>>> Persistent Item, brought about by some coherent physical, social or
>>> technological phenomena. An instance of E5 Event may or may not
>> Only what *may* be affected, or *may not* be affected, somehow supports an
>> identity criterium. What may or may not be affected looks as irrelevant,
>> because we cannot understand from the consequences (or lack thereof) that
>> some event took place, leading to an observed change (or lack of change),
>> because the event may or may not have led to such change.
>>
>>> lead
>>> to relevant permanent changes of properties and relations of items involved
>>> in it.
>>> Properties and kinds of things that may be affected are characteristic for
>>> the type of an event.
>>>
>> This is somehow contradictory with the previous statement: it states that
>> there are things that may be affected, and other things that may not;
>> perhaps also a third grouping that “may or may not". In all, it is a bit
>> messy.
>>
>> Franco
>>
>>
>>> please comment!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
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