Dear Franco,
your comments are very useful and I think you are right, maybe this is
about a more general concept or we may miss something with the
definition of E67 Birth(?). And what about the parents? they are
participants in this biological event? Especially the mother who acts,
performs intentionally, especially in cases of stillborn, the procedure
is to start labour. I am concerned with the definition of the birth
event.
Thank you for the feedback
Athina
Στις 2019-09-23 11:45, Franco Niccolucci έγραψε:
My suggestion would be to avoid being involved in ethical and
religious discussions (when does the ‘person’ start to be such?)
and go one step up in the entity hierarchy so:
* instead of E21 Person use E20 Biological Object (superclass of E21)
qualified with P2 has type
* instead of E67 Birth use E5 Event qualified with P2 has type. In my
opinion using instead E63 Beginning of existence (superclass of E67)
is risky because applying the identity criteria to a fetus is
uncertain and subject to ethical discussion, so the only safe solution
is to record when it manifests to the world with a birth or
miscarriage.
Best
Franco
Il giorno lun 23 set 2019 alle 10:21 athinak <[email protected]> ha
scritto:
Dear all,
I am working on a project relating to historical information
(sources)
on Seafaring lives and Maritime Labour in 19th-20th century - we map
the
raw data to CIDOC CRM (or an extension of it). Historians collect
data
from various records, such as Civil Registers, which are records
documenting persons born or dead - basically, they register the
deaths.
So I have this case: they register as persons the miscarriages or
the
stillborn or the abortions, and they assign attributes such as the
number of registration, personal information (name,surname,etc. )of
the
parents, the place of residence (which is the parents address, of
course) and the sex of the aborted or still born (something they
knew
afterwards). I suppose this is a difficult ethical and biological
subject- my question is how would you model the miscarriage or the
still
born or the abortion? It is not exactly defined as E21 Person and if
it
is a case of still born, it can be a kind of a E67 Birth Event, but
if
it is a miscarriage, I believe it is not a birth event, it is a
different biological process, so what is it?
Any thoughts that would help?
thanks,
Athina Kritsotaki
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