Dear Robert, All,
I see the point, but propose another solution. I have even proposed to
deprecate "current permanent location", because the "permanent" is hard
to be objectified, and here extremely specific to a certain inventory
practice.
I'd rather argue, that the current keeper of an object that is handed
out for loan stays obliged for safe-guarding the object. So, a property
"has temporary keeper" would be much more informative, and positively
states what is happening. We should just accept a "current keeper" being
simultaneaously in charge with a "temporary keeper", and the event of
change of custody to the respective temporary keeper will specify anyhow
the character of the transfer.
If transfers of custody are completely registered, as the examples
suggest, there is no need for further differentiations of stateful
properties, because the type of transfer can register that.
In any case, think of "Guernica" ! Reality can be very complex;-)
Best,
Martin
On 3/6/2020 12:10 AM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
Another use case which has come up:
A painting is given from the Paintings department, which is the normal
custodian, to the Conservation department, in order to perform
conservation work on it.
The Conservation department has custody of it, but the Paintings
department is still the normal custodian. The ownership of the object
doesn’t change. And potentially the physical location of it doesn’t
either, if the conservation work is being done in place in the
gallery, such as the current work on the Nightwatch at the
Rijksmuseum, or Blue Boy at the Huntingdon here in California.
Rob
*From: *George Bruseker <[email protected]>
*Date: *Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 6:14 AM
*To: *Robert Sanderson <[email protected]>
*Cc: *crm-sig <[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Normal Custodian Of?
It seems to make sense to raise as an issue. The case does seem to
come up reasonably frequently. The parallel seems convincing. For the
moment we could cover temporal elements by initiating the existing of
the property via an E13 attribute assignment (if we had such info).
On Feb 15, 2020, at 2:33 AM, Robert Sanderson
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Apologies, I should have put NEW ISSUE in the subject for this
originally.
As a quick proposal to discuss:
With P54 has current permanent location as a precedent, I would
propose a Pxx has current permanent custodian as a new property to
manage the knowledge described in the email below.
Happy to work on a scope note for it if that’s a useful thing to
add to the ontology.
Rob
*From:*Robert Sanderson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Date:*Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 12:24 PM
*To:*"[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:*Normal Custodian Of?
Dear fellow SIG folks,
Happy new year😊
A question came up here as to how to record the normal custodian
of an object, as opposed to the current custodian.
For example, if we have custody of an object but it’s a permanent
loan from a donor, and we lend it to another organization for an
exhibition, then the owner doesn’t change (still the donor,
probably wanting to remain anonymous) and there’s a transfer of
custody from ourselves to the exhibiting organization. If that’s
a travelling exhibit, it might pass through several custodians
before it should eventually return to us.
Is there a way to track this not-quite-an-owner but
not-just-the-current-custodian state? The only way that I can see
is to model the right of permanent custody separate from the right
of temporary custody… but then we re-enter the rights and temporal
validity arena. Perhaps this would be another motivating use case
for moving forward with that work?
Many thanks for your thoughts,
Rob
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