Dear All, The notions of trust and adoption of beliefs are very interesting because they are directly related to the Re-use of FAIR principles. It is certainly a notion on which the ARIADNEplus working group will work in the sub-task 4.4.12 "CIDOC-CRM mapping for Excavation archives" dealing with the link between data and publications. Best,
Olivier De: "Martin Doerr" <[email protected]> À: "crm-sig" <[email protected]> Envoyé: Mercredi 8 Juillet 2020 13:29:49 Objet: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Scope Note of CRMinf -> Belief Adoption Dear All, The Scope Note of I7 will be corrected. Best, Martin On 7/8/2020 12:46 PM, BOTTINI Thomas wrote: Dear all, Dear Stephen, George, Martin and Olivier, It appears that I misread the CRMinf documentation, and thought that every I2 Belief should be associated to a I7 Belief Adoption. I was not able to deduce from the scope notes of I7 that it " is the acceptance of somebody else's conclusion about some state of affairs". Stephen's wording is extremely clear. And thank you George for pointing out that S4 is a subclass of I1. This leads to the very simple pattern: S4 ---[J2]---> I2 Olivier, thank you very much for the wonderful conceptual and graphical resources you have posted. They will be very useful for our further work. Thank you all for helping me better understand CRMinf 🙏🏼 —— Thomas Bottini Institut de Recherche en Musicologie — IReMus UMR CNRS 8223 De : Crm-sig [ mailto:[email protected] | <[email protected]> ] au nom de Olivier Marlet [ mailto:[email protected] | <[email protected]> ] Date : mercredi 8 juillet 2020 à 11:19 À : [ mailto:[email protected] | "[email protected]" ] [ mailto:[email protected] | <[email protected]> ] Objet : Re: [Crm-sig] CRMinf -> Belief Adoption Dear Thomas, For the logicist publication of the Rigny archaeological excavations, we used the CRMinf to model the principle of logicist argumentation according to Jean-Claude Gardin, which is rather convenient since the CRMinf is directly inspired by this theory. In our case, we have distinguished 3 processes: 1/ argumentation based on observation or comparison data; 2/ external reference data (what is known and acquired elsewhere, taken from a bibliographical source for example); 3/ arguments built from previous conclusions. 1/ For a proposition based on observation data or comparison data , mapping could be: BQ_BEGIN S15_Observable_Entity → O11_was_described_by → S6_Data_evaluation ( IsA I5_Inference_Making IsA I1_Argumentation) → J2_conclued_that → I2_Belief → J4_that → I4_Proposition_Set I5_Inference_Making → J3_applies → I3_Inference_Logic 2/ For a proposition based on reference data , mapping could be: BQ_BEGIN E31_Document ( IsA E73_Information_Object) → J7_is_evidence_for → I7_Belief_Adoption ( IsA I1_Argumentation) → J6_adopted → I2_Belief → J4_that → I4_Proposition_Set BQ_END 3/ For intermediate or final propositions, mapping could be: BQ_BEGIN I4_Proposition_Set → J4_is_subject_of → I2_Belief → J1_was_premise_for → S8_Categorical_hypothesis_building ( IsA I5_Inference_Making IsA I1_Argumentation) → J2_conclued_that → I2_Belief → J4_that → I4_Proposition_Set BQ_END I invite you to read our online article : [ https://www.mdpi.com/2571-9408/2/1/49 | https://www.mdpi.com/2571-9408/2/1/49 ] and to consult the resulting online publication in TEI format: [ https://www.unicaen.fr/puc/rigny/ | https://www.unicaen.fr/puc/rigny/ ] Here is the schema that helps me to better understand the organization of the CRMinf. Hope it will be useful. Best, Olivier [ mailto:[email protected] | [email protected] ] Ingénieur CNRS Laboratoire Archéologie et Territoires - Tours UMR 7324 - CITERES - MSH Val de Loire BP 60449 37204 TOURS cedex 03 02 47 36 15 06 [ http://citeres.univ-tours.fr/lat | http://citeres.univ-tours.fr/lat ] [ http://masa.hypotheses.org/ | http://masa.hypotheses.org ] De: "Martin Doerr" [ mailto:[email protected] | <[email protected]> ] À: "crm-sig" [ mailto:[email protected] | <[email protected]> ] Envoyé: Lundi 6 Juillet 2020 20:35:08 Objet: Re: [Crm-sig] CRMinf -> Belief Adoption On 7/6/2020 7:37 PM, George Bruseker wrote: BQ_BEGIN Dear Thomas, As I would read it, S4 Observation is a subclass of I1 Argumentation, therefore inheriting all of its properties. This being the case, an observation can lead an actor involved in it to come to conclude in a belief (J2). Therefore if the situation is that the scientist goes and analyzes the object (instance of S4) looking at certain properties, and then comes to some sort of belief, then this belief can be documented using J2 concluded that I2 Belief and then continue from there. Belief adoption, to my understanding, should be used when the belief that one is taking up is not founded in one's own observational acts, but is rather simply taken over from some external authority. Therefore, you would not need two events, the observing, and the belief adopting. Rather you would need one event, the observation, which directly leads to a belief state. Without any further context, that is how I imagine it should be modelled. CRMinfers, do I have it right? BQ_END Absolutely! "Belief Adaption" means "adopt another one's belief. Whatever is found on a physical thing is an observation by human senses or other instruments receiving signals, including from chemical reactions, x-ray reflection and transmission, tactile etc. There may be non-trivial Inference s subsequent to primary observation. For instance, abrasions at amphora handles regarded to stem from ropes that tied cargo in a ship. Some instruments contain firmware that cannot be separated from the primary signal. We regard then the result as the primary observation, having in mind how the instrument works. Best, Martin BQ_BEGIN Best, George On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 6:46 PM BOTTINI Thomas < [ mailto:[email protected] | [email protected] ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Dear all, We try to use CRMinf to model a scientific controversy about the attribution of a museum item (the Marie-Antoinette’s travel kit). We would like to express the fact that a researcher adopts a belief (I7 Belief Adoption) after having studied the item at the museum (S4 Observation). Why can’t the range of a J7 (is based on evidence from) be a S4 Observation (meaning a E7 Activity)? In our case, we don’t have any evidence of E73 (Information Object) type, the observation activity carried out by the researcher IS the evidence. 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