Dear all,
In the I October SIG Meeting, the following arguments were made:
"Gerald Hiebel would prefer A7 Embedding as a S20. One point in the
argumentation may be, that the surrounding matter of an Embedding has a
specific condition is often used to determine parameters like the time of
deposition"
MD supports this, and in my opinion this is a correct decision. I was asked to
have a look at this "CEO to edit A7 Embedding accordingly and also check
properties AP17 through AP21 (check for consistency with newly postulated
semantics for A7 and also determine their superproperties)."
If A7 Embedding becomes a subclass of S20 Rigid Physical Feature the temporal
aspect disappear and an instance of E7 will be a physical feature surrounding
an instance(s) of E18 Physical Thing and a place for this feature. Isn't this
another way to say that for an instance x of E18 Physical Thing , y of E53
Place, z of S20 S20 Rigid Physical Feature
x P53 has former or current location (is former or current location of) y P121
overlaps with/P89 falls within (contains) z?
Best,
Christian-Emil
Current definition:
A7 Embedding
[CSO1]<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_msocom_1>
Subclass of:
E3<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_E3_Condition_State>
Condition State
Superclass of:
Scope Note: This class comprises the states of instances of E18 Physical
Things of being partially or completely embedded at a particular position with
relative stability in one or more A2 Stratigraphic Volume Units. Normally, an
embedding is expected to have been stable from the time of generation of the
first A2 Stratigraphic Volume Unit that surrounds it. However, it may also be
due to later intrusion. As an empirical fact, the expert may only be able to
decide that a particular embedding is not recent, i.e. has been persisting for
longer than the activity that encountered it. This class can be used to
document the fact of embedding generally with respect to the surrounding matter
or, more specifically, with respect to a more precise position within this
matter. It further allows for specifying temporal bounds for which a particular
embedding has existed, as specified by the evidence.
Examples:
Τhe individual fallen slabs (E19) that were discovered (S19) during the
excavation process of Room 5 (A1) of the West House in Akrotiri, Thera, were
embedded (A7) in an almost vertical position (E55) within deposit (A8) on the
ground floor (E53) (Fig. 10). [Μιχαηλίδου 2001, pp. 68-70].
In First Order Logic:
A7(x) ⊃ E3(x)
Properties:
AP17<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_AP17_is_found>
is found by (found):
S19<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_S19_Encounter_Event>
Encounter Event
AP18<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_AP18_is_embedding>
is embedding of (is embedded):
E18<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_E18_Physical_Thing>
Physical Thing
AP19<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_P19_was_intended>
is embedding in (contains embedding):
A2<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_A2_Stratigraphic_Volume>
Stratigraphic Volume Unit
AP20<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_AP20_is_embedding>
is embedding at (contains):
E53<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_E53_Place_1>
Place
[CSO1]<file:///M:/cidoc-crm/2020/CRMarcheo%20arbeid%202020/CRMarchaeo_v1.5.0_draft%20comments%20after%2046th%20meeting.docx#_msoanchor_1>A7
Embedding:
DECISION: to be dealt with in the designated issue
(447<http://www.cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-447-a7-embedding-as-a-physical-feature-like-entity>),
not part of the editorial work.
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From: Crm-sig <[email protected]> on behalf of Martin Doerr
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Sent: 26 February 2021 22:09
To: crm-sig
Subject: [Crm-sig] Issue 447, Embedding as Rigid Physical Feature
Dear All,
In the October SIG Meeting, the following arguments were made:
"Gerald Hiebel would prefer A7 Embedding as a S20. One point in the
argumentation may be, that the surrounding matter of an Embedding has a
specific condition is often used to determine parameters like the time of
deposition"
I support this.
"What we loose when we define it as S20:
“It further allows for specifying temporal bounds for which a particular
embedding has existed, as specified by the evidence.
Maybe we could create a property e.g. was embedded for (instead of AP20?) that
relates to a time span to be able to state temporal bounds of the embedding.
If we define A7 as S20 we would not really need a property AP20 embedded at as
it is already a E53 Place that we could attach spatial information to."
Counterargument: A Rigid Physical Feature has a genesis event, that allows for
specifying the time of embedding. No extra property needed.
The property AP20 is necessary, because "This property identifies the E53 Place
that is documented as the E53 Place of the A7 Embedding. This place must be at
rest relative to the instance of A2 Stratigraphic Volume Unit that contains the
A7 Embedding."
I believe the relation to the stratigraphic unit would be quite cumbersome to
make otherwise.
Best,
Martin
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