Dear Christian-Emil,
Indeed, as it is it does not work. It is also not reasonable to reduce
AP5 to modification. This was more a thought exercise. The process is
less targeted, I think, to the reshaping of a Stratigraphic Unit.
I maintain that it should be subproperty of
O1 <#_O1_diminished>diminished (was diminished by): S10
<#_S10_Material_Substantial> Material Substantial
and the latter must be declared as one of the properties of CRMsci that
will not be covered by CRMbase.
In case the complete destruction of the respective unit is to be
explicitly documented, we would need a double instantiation with E4, I
think. It's a bit like the chalk on the blackboard, getting smaller and
smaller. End of existence of the unit may be obvious or border line.
Opinions?
Best,
Martin
On 11/26/2022 12:35 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote:
A problem is that
A1 Excavation Processing Unit
Subclass of:S1 Matter Removal
S4 Observation
S1 Matter Removal
Subclass of: E7 Activity
Superclass of:E80 Part Removal
S2 Sample Taking
E11 Modification
Subclass of: E7 Activity
Superclass of: E12 Production
E79 Part Addition
E80 Part Removal
So the following cannot be the case in the current models unless we
make A1 a subclass of E11 Modification.
AP5 removed part or all of (was partially or totally removed by)
Domain:A1 Excavation Processing Unit
Range:A8 Stratigraphic Unit
Subproperty of: P31 has modified (was modified by)
I remember that we had a discussion about this, and may be a decision
is hidden somewhere.
Best,
Christian-Emil
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Dear Christian-Emil,
I think it is 469 and 365, as well as the introduction about
compatibility of extensions:
1A new class or property is added to an extension of the CIDOC CRM,
which is not covered by superclasses other than E1 CRM Entity or a
superproperty in the CIDOC CRM respectively. In this case, all facts
described only by such concepts are not accessible by queries with
CIDOC CRM concepts. Therefore, the extension should publish in a
compatibility statement the additional relevant high-level classes and
properties needed to retrieve all facts documented with the extended
model. This case is a monotonic extension.
We may argue that AP5 is a modification in any case, even if it ends
up in complete destruction. Then, the end of existence is however not
implied. Otherwise, it is a Logical OR of modification and destruction.
Opinions?
Best,
Martin
On 11/25/2022 2:03 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote:
Dear all,
In the work with the cleanup of the definition document for
CRMarcheo, I found a comment (written by myself) next to
AP5 removed part or all of (was partially or totally removed by)
Domain:A1
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gemIVVKyVULkTNT73_iBvV53fjQUM6hYKw_D_tBstKI/edit#heading=h.nmf14n>Excavation
Processing Unit
Range:A8
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gemIVVKyVULkTNT73_iBvV53fjQUM6hYKw_D_tBstKI/edit#heading=h.2szc72q>Stratigraphic
Unit
Subproperty of: P31 has modified (was modified by)
The comment is as follows (17.09.2020):
DECISION: the sig will start a new issue regarding the superproperty
of AP5. Candidates involve P31 has modified (D: E11 Modification; R:
E18 Physical Thing). Any decision will affect the definition of A1
Excavation Process[ing] Unit ( see issue 446).
The new issue should be of a more general interest than the
particulars of AP5’s superproperty, and address the question of
declaring superproperties in the CRMbase exclusively (to the extent
it’s possible) or across family models.
HW: CEO (?) to check the CRMbase properties that generalize to CRM
extensions. (this is the content of new issue)
Which issue is the 'new issue' referred to?
Best,
Christian-Emil
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