Dear Martin, S10 Material Substantial <= E18 Physical Thing <= E26 Physical Feature <= S20 Rigid Physical Feature S1 Matter Removal <= A1 Excavation Processing Unit
O1 diminished (was diminished by) Domain: S1 Matter Removal Range: S10 Material Substantial Superproperty of: E80 Part Removal: P112 diminished (was diminished by): E24 Physical Human-Made Thing so AP5 removed part or all of (was partially or totally removed by) Domain: A1 Excavation Processing Unit Range: A8 Stratigraphic Unit Subproperty of : O1 diminished (was diminished by) is fine. I have a vague memory that this was the idea when we corrected the error that O1 was a a super property of O2. Best, Christian-Emil ________________________________ From: Crm-sig <[email protected]> on behalf of Martin Doerr via Crm-sig <[email protected]> Sent: 26 November 2022 16:33 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Digging for a unknown issue, help needed Dear Christian-Emil, Indeed, as it is it does not work. It is also not reasonable to reduce AP5 to modification. This was more a thought exercise. The process is less targeted, I think, to the reshaping of a Stratigraphic Unit. I maintain that it should be subproperty of O1 diminished (was diminished by): S10 Material Substantial and the latter must be declared as one of the properties of CRMsci that will not be covered by CRMbase. In case the complete destruction of the respective unit is to be explicitly documented, we would need a double instantiation with E4, I think. It's a bit like the chalk on the blackboard, getting smaller and smaller. End of existence of the unit may be obvious or border line. Opinions? Best, Martin On 11/26/2022 12:35 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote: A problem is that A1 Excavation Processing Unit Subclass of: S1 Matter Removal S4 Observation S1 Matter Removal Subclass of: E7 Activity Superclass of: E80 Part Removal S2 Sample Taking E11 Modification Subclass of: E7 Activity Superclass of: E12 Production E79 Part Addition E80 Part Removal So the following cannot be the case in the current models unless we make A1 a subclass of E11 Modification. AP5 removed part or all of (was partially or totally removed by) Domain: A1 Excavation Processing Unit Range: A8 Stratigraphic Unit Subproperty of: P31 has modified (was modified by) I remember that we had a discussion about this, and may be a decision is hidden somewhere. Best, Christian-Emil ________________________________ From: Crm-sig <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Martin Doerr via Crm-sig <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Sent: 25 November 2022 18:34 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Digging for a unknown issue, help needed Dear Christian-Emil, I think it is 469 and 365, as well as the introduction about compatibility of extensions: 1 A new class or property is added to an extension of the CIDOC CRM, which is not covered by superclasses other than E1 CRM Entity or a superproperty in the CIDOC CRM respectively. In this case, all facts described only by such concepts are not accessible by queries with CIDOC CRM concepts. Therefore, the extension should publish in a compatibility statement the additional relevant high-level classes and properties needed to retrieve all facts documented with the extended model. This case is a monotonic extension. We may argue that AP5 is a modification in any case, even if it ends up in complete destruction. Then, the end of existence is however not implied. Otherwise, it is a Logical OR of modification and destruction. Opinions? Best, Martin On 11/25/2022 2:03 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote: Dear all, In the work with the cleanup of the definition document for CRMarcheo, I found a comment (written by myself) next to AP5 removed part or all of (was partially or totally removed by) Domain: A1<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gemIVVKyVULkTNT73_iBvV53fjQUM6hYKw_D_tBstKI/edit#heading=h.nmf14n> Excavation Processing Unit Range: A8<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gemIVVKyVULkTNT73_iBvV53fjQUM6hYKw_D_tBstKI/edit#heading=h.2szc72q> Stratigraphic Unit Subproperty of: P31 has modified (was modified by) The comment is as follows (17.09.2020): DECISION: the sig will start a new issue regarding the superproperty of AP5. Candidates involve P31 has modified (D: E11 Modification; R: E18 Physical Thing). Any decision will affect the definition of A1 Excavation Process[ing] Unit ( see issue 446). The new issue should be of a more general interest than the particulars of AP5’s superproperty, and address the question of declaring superproperties in the CRMbase exclusively (to the extent it’s possible) or across family models. HW: CEO (?) to check the CRMbase properties that generalize to CRM extensions. (this is the content of new issue) Which issue is the 'new issue' referred to? 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