Dear Thomas,
You could consider to use the Social Role Embodiment – C13
<https://ontome.net/class/697/namespace/112> class provided in the
Semantic Data for Humanities (SDHSS) Social, legal and economic life
namespace.
The SDHSS project is about developing an ecosystem of extensions of the
CIDOC CRM that are suitable to model information in different domains of
humanities and social sciences (HSS) research, and connected ones, in
relation to the approaches and views of different disciplines but with
coherence and conformity to CRMbase classes/properties and modelling
principles.
As Martin writes CRM base provides a minimal, I'd say essential, set of
classes and properties that provides a robust core ontology for
trans-disciplinary data modelling in HSS. To be actually used in HSS
research it needs suitable community and discipline driven extensions.
Just to be noted: Social Role Embodiment – C13
<https://ontome.net/class/697/namespace/112> models the fact of socially
being considered as having the function of butler of the king. Or
president of a state. This is a social phenomenon happening in time.
If you prefer to model an activity, the spatio-temporal acting in this
service, you can use crm:E7 Activity but adding the needed additional
properties or sub-classes. We can have a conversation on this if you wish.
The point is, in my opinion, to avoid convolutions and technical devices
like so-called property classes, but rather, as Martin suggests, to
identify the ontological substance of the classes or properties that are
missing in CRMbase, to add them and to document them publicly, notably
in the ecosystem of SDHSS extensions hosted in OntoME, so that other
projects can join the discussion and adopt the new classes and
properties, thus promoting the straightforward exchange of information
between projects according to the FAIR principles.
Kind regards
Francesco
Le 25.11.24 à 20:07, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig a écrit :
Dear Thomas,
Good question! As a first answer, CRMbase is minimal, deliberately.
The less possibilities to express something, the more easy is the
matching of other related content across the globe. CRMbase does not
offer other constructs.
You should not take the property class as an obstacle. This is a
question of data entry tools and encoding formats. In principle, the
144.1 property class may in future versions or extensions being
"upgraded" to a kind of activity or merged with some kinds of
activity. Therefore, the complexity and structure of what you ask for
and the P144.1 is basically the same.
"to express the social context in which an activity takes place"
appears to me rather general, I can imagine many different ways in
which an activity relates to a social context, Serving is different
from being a criminal, etc. Such constructs are very interesting to
study, but one should elaborate the ontological distinctions necessary
to make this unambiguous.
The Parthenos Entity Model contains a CRM compatible extension of
service provision.
But I think the concept of dependent work deserves an explicit
extension, is clear and unambiguous. May be other members have already
worked on respective extensions, and will answer to your question!
Kind regards,
Martin
On 11/25/2024 6:53 PM, BOTTINI Thomas via Crm-sig wrote:
Hello CRM users ;
I would like to express (in RDF) that a historical person (an E21)
held a position in a historical institution (an E74). For example,
that someone was the king's butler in the king's household. I can
model the link between the E21 and the E74 with a E85 (when the
person became butler) and its P144. However, expressing the nature of
the position (E55 “Butler) is not easy in RDF because of the Property
Class induced by the P144.1.
I’d rather use an E7 to model the period during which the E21 have
been the king’s butler. However, I cannot connect the E7 to the E74.
Is there an elegant way to express the social context in which an
activity takes place (a link between a E7 and a E74) ?
Thank you very much, in advance.
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Institut de Recherche en Musicologie — IReMus UMR822
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