Hi all, Sorry for being late to the party - I believe the respin was successfully done yesterday - anyways, +1 from me for respinning all 3 issues discussed (mostly because the risk of the changes looks minimal).
I fully agree with Alex that it's very important to discourage non-API use, and have the API discussion between projects. But knowingly breaking XText would do more harm than good. How much effort would it be to re-do an API usage scan across the release train, like zx had done on Helios? http://aniszczyk.org/2010/05/17/api-usage-scan-against-helios/ <http://aniszczyk.org/2010/05/17/api-usage-scan-against-helios/> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/pde/apitools/helios/html/index.html <http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/pde/apitools/helios/html/index.html> Besides the practical benefit of knowing the status quo, diving into this might be an interesting topic for an academic thesis... Cheers, Martin > On 6 Oct 2017, at 16:50, Daniel Megert <daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com> wrote: > > Lars, Martin > > Can you also cast your vote? > > In addition to the two mentioned bugs we would also provide a fix for: > Bug 525583 <https://bugs.eclipse.org/525583>: 'Nested' Eclipse Application > Launch configuration fails to launch on Java 9 and Eclipse 4.7.1a > > > Dani > > > > From: "Mike Wilson" <mike_wil...@ca.ibm.com > <mailto:mike_wil...@ca.ibm.com>> > To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org > <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> > Cc: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org>, > "eclipse-...@eclipse.org <mailto:eclipse-...@eclipse.org>" > <eclipse-...@eclipse.org <mailto:eclipse-...@eclipse.org>> > Date: 06.10.2017 15:56 > Subject: Re: [eclipse-pmc] [cross-project-issues-dev] Fw: Xtext is > broken in Oxygen 1a > Sent by: eclipse-pmc-boun...@eclipse.org > <mailto:eclipse-pmc-boun...@eclipse.org> > > > > I agree with Alex's assessment of the perils of using internals. Given the > seriousness of this problem, I would suggest we do a respin anyway, and would > argue we should fix the internal signature at the same time. In return, the > XText team should commit to getting off the use of that method asap, with our > help to add missing (actual) API as needed. > > McQ. > > "Daniel Megert" ---2017/10/06 08:42:19---In case of a respin we would > definitely include that fix. Dani > > From: "Daniel Megert" <daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com > <mailto:daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>> > To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org > <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> > Cc: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org>, > "eclipse-...@eclipse.org <mailto:eclipse-...@eclipse.org>" > <eclipse-...@eclipse.org <mailto:eclipse-...@eclipse.org>> > Date: 2017/10/06 08:42 > Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Fw: Xtext is broken in Oxygen 1a > Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> > > > > In case of a respin we would definitely include that fix. > > Dani > > > > From: Fred Bricon <fbri...@gmail.com <mailto:fbri...@gmail.com>> > To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org > <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> > Cc: "eclipse-...@eclipse.org <mailto:eclipse-...@eclipse.org>" > <eclipse-...@eclipse.org <mailto:eclipse-...@eclipse.org>> > Date: 06.10.2017 14:30 > Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Fw: Xtext is broken in Oxygen 1a > Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> > > > > While we're on the subject of respinning RC2, JDT has a critical bug[1] that > prevents any project with multiple output folders (Maven, Gradle) from > running any class (be it main or test) from the IDE, with Java 9. > A simple fix[2] was committed yesterday in master, I strongly believe this > should be backported to Oxygen.1a, given that, most likely, all new > greenfield Java 9 projects will use a build tool affected by that bug. > > [1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=525382 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bugs.eclipse.org_bugs_show-5Fbug.cgi-3Fid-3D525382&d=DwMFaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=1UITCR5rxUZHSFczvfaNFK4ymEbEiccRX7VKchpqz0Y&m=DX_5WHLyEn5O4R4MElNkyzIG1lxueoaNUqkNjf8ZBBo&s=ck1F0gkHXl_TXr4OPWwV_WX8axq_0LDkc6T0GF5FGYw&e=> > [2] > http://git.eclipse.org/c/jdt/eclipse.jdt.debug.git/commit/?id=75be8bb1ddb3552d9791b112774fdc3dee352590 > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__git.eclipse.org_c_jdt_eclipse.jdt.debug.git_commit_-3Fid-3D75be8bb1ddb3552d9791b112774fdc3dee352590&d=DwMFaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=1UITCR5rxUZHSFczvfaNFK4ymEbEiccRX7VKchpqz0Y&m=DX_5WHLyEn5O4R4MElNkyzIG1lxueoaNUqkNjf8ZBBo&s=bmOo58X86SHhCuvbEuGBWDDsRO6-zt7S8v1FxyL4MnM&e=> > > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurt...@redhat.com > <mailto:akurt...@redhat.com>> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Daniel Megert <daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com > <mailto:daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>> wrote: > > Dear Eclipse PMC > > > > Should we consider to bring back the internal method and ask for a respin? > > We could provide a fix earlier than Wednesday, but it can also be risky to > > respin the Platform/JDT at this point,. > > While the "practical me" would say "Yes, if JDT team feels comfortable > with that", I'm leaning towards -1 for this one because it practically > means treating internals as API thus encouraging people to use them > directly instead of working close with projects they depend on to make > APIs stronger and more feature full. > I would +1 a case where the method is bringed back in Oxygen only for > the sake of preserving some compatibility. > > > > > Dani > > > > ----- Forwarded by Daniel Megert/Zurich/IBM on 06.10.2017 14 > > <tel:06.10.2017%2014>:11 ----- > > > > From: Sven Efftinge <sven.effti...@typefox.io > > <mailto:sven.effti...@typefox.io>> > > To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org > > <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> > > Date: 06.10.2017 13 <tel:06.10.2017%2013>:59 > > Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Xtext is broken in Oxygen 1a > > Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > > <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Xtext is broken in Oxygen 1a, due to a signature change in an internal API > > of JDT [1][2]. It is a real blocker for Xtext and any downstream projects. > > Xtext will release a new version 2.13 with a fix on October 20. > > > > We could also create a bugfix release for Oxygen 1a, given we decide this is > > important enough to do a respin. 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