On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:00 AM Ed Willink <ed.will...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi > > ASM, Guice and Guava can be accommodated by losing the upper version > bound; they appear to have good compatibility for at least my trivial > usages. The explicit upper bound is honest in that it indicates not-tested, > but a blocker for anyone who wants to try and test it. > > The real killers for project relengs are the platform's gratuitous removal > of IPlatformRunnable, movement to Java 11 BREE coupled with Tycho > evolution. > Exactly, thanks again for proving my point - Java 9 imposed one set of changes, Java 11 additional, Java 14 additional, Java 16 additional and even more expected with Java 17. With literally 3 people looking at Tycho issues with priority being after Eclipse Platform, WildWebDeveloper, M2E, Corrosion, Linux Tools and so on and on it's an achievement that Tycho is working on so big a number of environments/jvms. I want to be perfectly clear about expectations if Tycho is left with current manpower - latest Java and latest LTS Java. I know this has implications on everyone but my time is as scarce as everyone else's and just like everyone else I have to do what I'm paid for - release Eclipse platform that supports latest Java and latest LTS Java. And tycho is just a means to achieve that! I would very much welcome others joining on daily tasks so we share the burden and wider compatibility is preserved. I'm willing to transfer whatever extra power one thinks I have on any such decision and let that person show us (and teach me!) how to achieve better results in current circumstances! troublesome are the almost six monthly breakages of the EF IT > infrastructure as service is 'improved'. > > Regards > > Ed Willink > > > On 26/03/2021 07:24, Christian Dietrich wrote: > > yes we can keep it unless some new ASM, Guice, Guava, Junit5 or another > "paying attention" topic forces us to act and build milestones and releases > with the 3 weeks pressure. > Am 26.03.21 um 08:20 schrieb Ed Merks: > > All, > > I've been tempted for quite some time to make a similar announcement, only > for EMF. I don't believe I will have the resource to get EMF's build > working on the new infrastructure, and most certainly I am highly unlikely > to do so without some evidence that the cost and effort involved will *not > *be born only by me personally (and by the helpful-but-overburdened > Foundation Staff): > > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558735#c1 > > I *strongly *recommend to the IDE Working Group that action be taken > without further delay. > > > Christian, > > One thing that I would ask, and strongly suggest for Xtext, is simply to > leave your current contribution(s) to SimRel as is for contribution to > 2021-06 such that the IDE Working Group has time to take action. There is > no absolute requirement that you must provide a new release, right? > Certainly one would hope that it's reasonable to assume that the Platform, > and your other dependencies, will remain fully compatible with your most > recently release, right? > > Physically removing the most recent Xtext release from the 2021-06 train > is a bit of a bombshell that affects a great many other projects. Once we > drop this bomb, we may as well throw in the towel... > > Regards, > Ed > > > On 25.03.2021 13:28, Dietrich, Christian wrote: > > Hi all, > > i want to inform you that we at itemis will no longer drive the > participation of Xtext in the Eclipse simultaneous release beginning with > the upcoming 2021-06 release > https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release > <https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release> > <https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release>. > > > As there are currently no other parties with the capacity to take over the > work this will result in Xtext leaving the Simrel. This will also affect > other projects in the Simrel that consume Xtext like OCL, Xcore, Parsley > and parts of GEF as well as the DSL Package in EPP. (and maybe others) > > Please feel free to join the discussion at > https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961 > <https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961> > <https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961> > > KInd Regards, Christian > > Vorstand/Board: Jens Wagener (Vors./chairman), Dr. Stephan Eberle, > Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann > Aufsichtsrat/Supervisory Board: Michael Neuhaus (Vors./chairman), Harald > Goertz, Stephan Grollmann > Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Am Brambusch 15-24, 44536 Lünen > (Germany) > Registergericht/Registry Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund | HRB 20621 > > _______________________________________________ > cross-project-issues-dev mailing list > cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org > To unsubscribe from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > cross-project-issues-dev mailing listcross-project-issues-...@eclipse.org > To unsubscribe from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev > > -- > Christian Dietrich (Diplom-Informatiker (BA)) > Softwareentwickler / -Architekt > Committer and Co-Lead for Eclipse Xtext > > Tel.: +49 (0) 711 / 34 21 91-0 > Fax.: +49 (0) 711 / 34 21 91-29 > Mobil: +49 (0) 151 / 173969 17 > Mail: christian.dietr...@itemis.de > XING: https://www.xing.com/profile/Christian_Dietrich8 > Web: http://www.itemis.de > Skype: christiandietrich1982 > ICQ: 125801794 > > itemis AG > Niederlassung Süd > Industriestraße 6 > 70565 Stuttgart > > Rechtlicher Hinweis: > Registergericht: Amtsgericht Dortmund HRB 20621 | Sitz der Gesellschaft: Lünen > Vorstand: Jens Wagener (Vors.), Dr. Stephan Eberle, Abdelghani El Kacimi, > Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann > Aufsichtsrat: Michael Neuhaus (Vors.), Harald Goertz, Stephan Grollmann > > > Vorstand/Board: Jens Wagener (Vors./chairman), Dr. Stephan Eberle, > Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann > Aufsichtsrat/Supervisory Board: Michael Neuhaus (Vors./chairman), Harald > Goertz, Stephan Grollmann > Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Am Brambusch 15-24, 44536 Lünen > (Germany) > Registergericht/Registry Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund | HRB 20621 > > _______________________________________________ > epp-dev mailing listepp-...@eclipse.org > To unsubscribe from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/epp-dev > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > <#m_7428541893459966454_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > epp-dev mailing list > epp-...@eclipse.org > To unsubscribe from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/epp-dev > -- Aleksandar Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse Team
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