On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:25 AM Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurt...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:00 AM Ed Willink <ed.will...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> ASM, Guice and Guava can be accommodated by losing the upper version >> bound; they appear to have good compatibility for at least my trivial >> usages. The explicit upper bound is honest in that it indicates not-tested, >> but a blocker for anyone who wants to try and test it. >> >> The real killers for project relengs are the platform's gratuitous >> removal of IPlatformRunnable, movement to Java 11 BREE coupled with Tycho >> evolution. >> > Exactly, thanks again for proving my point - Java 9 imposed one set of > changes, Java 11 additional, Java 14 additional, Java 16 additional and > even more expected with Java 17. With literally 3 people looking at Tycho > issues with priority being after Eclipse Platform, WildWebDeveloper, M2E, > Corrosion, Linux Tools and so on and on it's an achievement that Tycho is > working on so big a number of environments/jvms. > I want to be perfectly clear about expectations if Tycho is left with > current manpower - latest Java and latest LTS Java. I know this has > implications on everyone but my time is as scarce as everyone else's and > just like everyone else I have to do what I'm paid for - release Eclipse > platform that supports latest Java and latest LTS Java. And tycho is just a > means to achieve that! > I would very much welcome others joining on daily tasks so we share the > burden and wider compatibility is preserved. I'm willing to transfer > whatever extra power one thinks I have on any such decision and let that > person show us (and teach me!) how to achieve better results in current > circumstances! > I forgot to add that transfer of power goes hand in hand with transfer of duties. > > troublesome are the almost six monthly breakages of the EF IT >> infrastructure as service is 'improved'. >> >> Regards >> >> Ed Willink >> >> >> On 26/03/2021 07:24, Christian Dietrich wrote: >> >> yes we can keep it unless some new ASM, Guice, Guava, Junit5 or another >> "paying attention" topic forces us to act and build milestones and releases >> with the 3 weeks pressure. >> Am 26.03.21 um 08:20 schrieb Ed Merks: >> >> All, >> >> I've been tempted for quite some time to make a similar announcement, >> only for EMF. I don't believe I will have the resource to get EMF's build >> working on the new infrastructure, and most certainly I am highly unlikely >> to do so without some evidence that the cost and effort involved will *not >> *be born only by me personally (and by the helpful-but-overburdened >> Foundation Staff): >> >> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558735#c1 >> >> I *strongly *recommend to the IDE Working Group that action be taken >> without further delay. >> >> >> Christian, >> >> One thing that I would ask, and strongly suggest for Xtext, is simply to >> leave your current contribution(s) to SimRel as is for contribution to >> 2021-06 such that the IDE Working Group has time to take action. There is >> no absolute requirement that you must provide a new release, right? >> Certainly one would hope that it's reasonable to assume that the Platform, >> and your other dependencies, will remain fully compatible with your most >> recently release, right? >> >> Physically removing the most recent Xtext release from the 2021-06 train >> is a bit of a bombshell that affects a great many other projects. Once we >> drop this bomb, we may as well throw in the towel... >> >> Regards, >> Ed >> >> >> On 25.03.2021 13:28, Dietrich, Christian wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> i want to inform you that we at itemis will no longer drive the >> participation of Xtext in the Eclipse simultaneous release beginning with >> the upcoming 2021-06 release >> https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release >> <https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release> >> <https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release>. >> >> >> As there are currently no other parties with the capacity to take over >> the work this will result in Xtext leaving the Simrel. This will also >> affect other projects in the Simrel that consume Xtext like OCL, Xcore, >> Parsley and parts of GEF as well as the DSL Package in EPP. (and maybe >> others) >> >> Please feel free to join the discussion at >> https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961 >> <https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961> >> <https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961> >> >> KInd Regards, Christian >> >> Vorstand/Board: Jens Wagener (Vors./chairman), Dr. Stephan Eberle, >> Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann >> Aufsichtsrat/Supervisory Board: Michael Neuhaus (Vors./chairman), Harald >> Goertz, Stephan Grollmann >> Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Am Brambusch 15-24, 44536 Lünen >> (Germany) >> Registergericht/Registry Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund | HRB 20621 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> cross-project-issues-dev mailing list >> cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org >> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> cross-project-issues-dev mailing listcross-project-issues-...@eclipse.org >> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev >> >> -- >> Christian Dietrich (Diplom-Informatiker (BA)) >> Softwareentwickler / -Architekt >> Committer and Co-Lead for Eclipse Xtext >> >> Tel.: +49 (0) 711 / 34 21 91-0 >> Fax.: +49 (0) 711 / 34 21 91-29 >> Mobil: +49 (0) 151 / 173969 17 >> Mail: christian.dietr...@itemis.de >> XING: https://www.xing.com/profile/Christian_Dietrich8 >> Web: http://www.itemis.de >> Skype: christiandietrich1982 >> ICQ: 125801794 >> >> itemis AG >> Niederlassung Süd >> Industriestraße 6 >> 70565 Stuttgart >> >> Rechtlicher Hinweis: >> Registergericht: Amtsgericht Dortmund HRB 20621 | Sitz der Gesellschaft: >> Lünen >> Vorstand: Jens Wagener (Vors.), Dr. Stephan Eberle, Abdelghani El Kacimi, >> Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann >> Aufsichtsrat: Michael Neuhaus (Vors.), Harald Goertz, Stephan Grollmann >> >> >> Vorstand/Board: Jens Wagener (Vors./chairman), Dr. Stephan Eberle, >> Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann >> Aufsichtsrat/Supervisory Board: Michael Neuhaus (Vors./chairman), Harald >> Goertz, Stephan Grollmann >> Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Am Brambusch 15-24, 44536 Lünen >> (Germany) >> Registergericht/Registry Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund | HRB 20621 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> epp-dev mailing listepp-...@eclipse.org >> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/epp-dev >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> <#m_-2058829415628737470_m_7428541893459966454_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> epp-dev mailing list >> epp-...@eclipse.org >> To unsubscribe from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/epp-dev >> > > > -- > Aleksandar Kurtakov > Red Hat Eclipse Team > -- Aleksandar Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse Team
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