Lee,

I had an interesting discussion about this topic with a local sheriff here
in Florida.  Basically, he described how the state is busy trying to mandate
standards with measurable db limits for both stereos and exhaust, but as it
stands, the "official numbers" are caught up in a bureaucratic mess.  Put
simply, were the official numbers be put in place, it would require the
police officer to have a measuring device and lock-in a reading to use as
evidence in court later.  As it stands (indefinitely is seems), the current
law says "officers discretion" for noise disturbance.


George
'89 DX-Hybrid-D16Z6, 123k miles
"Seats, Suspension, Engine, MSD, next=dyno"



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I'll bet all places have a noise restriction of some kind but often have no
way or choose not to enforce it.  In more vehicularly uptight states like
California, I'd guess it is used much more often.  Or it can be used to add
things to the list if an officer decides for some reason to stack citations
on you. Since SEMA works on behalf of car part manufacturer's  including
exhaust companies, I expect that so long as you have a reasonable sound this
certificate is a benefit to you so you can show Mr. Officer Sir that your
car is compliant and save you a ticket.  It is also an opportunity to find
out if your car is near or over the limit so you can correct it to the legal
standards without a cop and a fine to point it out to you.

I'd think if you have had that much attention in a short span, it is because
you really are pushing the limits and it is only a matter of time until you
get popped.  Because judgement or perception is based on their ears and no
hard facts, the cards are stacked against you.  I know in some parts of
Cincinnati, there are fines for loud car stereos and that is based on the
officer's ears so you know full well there is an exhaust sound level too.

I know there used to be police officers who read or lurked this list.  If
one is out there, you might be able to enlighten us on general sound laws
and enforcement.

Lee


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Subject: Re: CRX: Future California Noise Laws


> Is this a good or bad thing?  I assume it would be bad if the majority of
our cars are actually illegal with regards to our intake header exhaust
setups.  If we are not lound in regards to the law then it would be good
because we could hand the certificate to the cop when he or she asks for all
our information.  just curious because I am in ohio, not much like this goes
on out here, although everywhere seems to have a major dislike for the
import crowd.
>
> Just last night, through the nicer areas of the Cleveland suburbs such as
Westlake, Bay Village, Rocky River and so on.  I must have had 3 our of the
4 or 5 cops I saw turn around when they saw me and follow me. I stayed under
the speed limit and drove streight.  They never pulled me over but it was
just shitty because I had been pulled over the night before for no plate on
the front of my car.  No ticket thankfully.
> sorry for such a long one
>
> Brandon
>

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