I totally agree with Ricky,

Mac's look great and work well, but after you take into account for the costs and what you are getting, there are just better alternatives. The only way they can differentiate themselves and make up for their lack of processing power and support is through cosmetic and functionally "hip" design and to promote their strength in the graphic arena. Since there is much less resources available for R&D for the mac platform, over time they are going to fall further and further behind where their strengths are not going to be able to mask their weaknesses. When most consumers and corporate/enterprises spend money on PC's and Unix platforms, companies are not going to spend as much resources on hardware and software developing and advancements of the Macs as they would for others. I have friends that are Mac users as well and they swear by them in-spite of their limitations. It is almost cult-like - of course I don't want to generalize this for all Mac users. For me, I just want the most bang for my buck and when hardware and software advancement leads to such relative short shelf lives and eventually to obsolescence, I want to spend my money on a computer platform that is going to have the most support, be at the forefront of the technological race, and be a cost effective solution. We all have the freedom of choice in our decision of computer platforms and we all make our own decisions on what we want out of it and why we buy them. Is one system better than another..... you will all have to decide for yourself.

Ken

At 08:47 AM 12/17/2002 -0600, you wrote:

Apple... For those who are just a little "fruity."

:-)

Try doing all of the server functionality of a message board and
everything else that Steve does on the Resource on a Mac.  Good luck.
Unix is far better for server-based stuff.  If you're doing graphics work,
the Mac is great, but that's about it.  There's just not much support for
Macs, and everything is 2x-3x more expensive than it needs to be for a
Mac.

Ricky



On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, AJ Nealey wrote:

> I'm a mac user.  I've been one all my life and will
> never switch to a PC.
>
> aj =)
>
> --- Allen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > everyone should be a mac user, they're not secretive
> > about the source
> > code, because they encourage others to program their
> > own stuff.  Anyway
> > I'm a big nerd that likes his mac.  Just something
> > to think about.  Ok
> > I'm gonna crawl back in my hole and keep reading
> > your e-mails.  Oh and
> > in response to that kit that someone posted today,
> > it's cool.  I
> > wouldn't mind having it, but I don't have money and.
> > . . well. . . I
> > probably piece my body kit together from what ever i
> > find in the
> > junkyards.  Now you are ready for me to shut up.  so
> > I will.
> > On Monday, Dec 16, 2002, at 11:58 US/Central, Henry
> > Bonath wrote:
> >
> > > This question has been asked several times over
> > the past few days, and
> > > personally my Email/AIM has been bombarded with
> > people asking me what
> > > the
> > > status is.
> > >
> > > I just pulled this off of the CRX Performance
> > forum.
> > > This is per Steve Jones:
> > >
> > > "The Resource is down for the count. I don't have
> > much information to
> > > go
> > > on at this time. I have to guess we were hacked.
> > We have a backup
> > > server, but I'm not keen to deploy it as it has
> > the same software
> > > build as
> > > the current server. It'll only get hacked again.
> > >
> > > Toward the end, I tried security through
> > obscurity. I couldn't update
> > > some critical packages on the server to plug known
> > vulnerabilities. I
> > > turned off some services and moved others to high
> > ports, hoping to
> > > avoid
> > > the script-kiddie autorootkits. It worked for a
> > time. In spite of that,
> > > I think our OpenSSH was trojaned. I was able to
> > log into the server
> > > using
> > > SSH, even though *MY* SSH daemon was unavailable
> > for comment.
> > >
> > > In spite of my best efforts, I couldn't update
> > some of the software on
> > > the server. Intel built a tidy little package,
> > replete with bells and
> > > whistles, and sporting a dandy web-based
> > management console. They also
> > > thought enough to hook everything together to a
> > central watchdog -- and
> > > that was my undoing. Anything I compiled for the
> > system caused the
> > > watchdog to hiccup and reboot the server -- over
> > and over again. I was
> > > stuck.
> > >
> > > Intel provided no relief. I contacted them earlier
> > in the year,
> > > requesting access to the source for the code they
> > modified. A large
> > > majority of the software they used was covered by
> > the GNU Public
> > > License,
> > > so this should have been a no brainer. They
> > declined, in violation of
> > > the
> > > various authors' copyrights.
> > >
> > > But enough sob stories and finger pointing. The
> > server is down, and I'm
> > > responsible. I regret the inconvenience, and I'm
> > hard at work building
> > > a
> > > maintainable suite of software packages on the
> > backup server. The
> > > Resource will be down for some much needed
> > renovation over the
> > > holidays.
> > > Look for us sometime after the New Year. We won't
> > look any different on
> > > the showroom floor, until you pop the hood.
> > >
> > > -Steve Jones"
> > >
> > > I hope this answers some questions.
> > > -Henry
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> =====
> GS CRX
>
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