On Sep 6, 2013, at 8:22 PM, John Gilmore <g...@toad.com> wrote:

> Speaking as someone who followed the IPSEC IETF standards committee
> pretty closely, while leading a group that tried to implement it and
> make so usable that it would be used by default throughout the
> Internet, I noticed some things:

...and to add to all that, how about the fact that IPsec was dropped as a 'must 
implement' from IPv6 sometime after 2002?

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