On 9/11/13 6:00 AM, Alexandre Anzala-Yamajako wrote:
Chacha20 being a stream cipher, the only requirement we have on the ICV is that it doesn't repeat isn't ?
You mean IV, the Initialization Vector. ICV is the Integrity Check Value, usually 32-64 bits appended to the packet. Each is separately keyed.
This means that if there's a problem with setting 'mostly zeroed out' ICV for Chacha20 we shouldn't use it at all period.
I strongly disagree. In my network protocol security designs, I always try to think about weaknesses in the implementation and potential future attacks on the algorithm -- and try to strengthen the security margin. For example, IP-MAC fills every available zero space with randomness, while H-MAC (defined more than a year later) uses constants instead. IP-MAC was proven stronger than H-MAC. Sadly, in the usual standards committee-itis, "newer" is often assumed to be "improved" and "better". So H-MAC was adopted instead. Of course, we know that H-MAC was chosen by an NSA mole in the IETF, so I don't trust it. Also, there's a certain silliness in formal cryptology that assumes we shouldn't have longer randomness keying than the formal "strength" of the algorithm. That might have been true in the days of silk and cyanide, where keying was a hard problem, but modern computing can generate lots of longer nonces without much effort. In reality, adding longer nonces may not improve the "strength" of the algorithm itself, but it improves the margin against attack. A nearly practical attack of order 2**80 could be converted to an impractical attack of order 2**96....
As far as your proposition is concerned, the performance penalty seems to largely depend on the target platform. Wouldn't using the same set of operations as Chacha prevent an unexpected performance drop in case of lots of short messages ?
I don't understand this part of your message. My ancient CBCS formulation that I'll probably use for PPP (Xor'ing a per-session key with a per-packet unique value) is demonstrably much faster than using ChaCha itself to do that same thing. We've been using stream ciphers and pseudo-stream ciphers (made by chaining MACs or chaining block ciphers) to create per-packet nonces for as long as I can remember (over 20 years). You'll see that in CHAP and Photuris and CBCS. So I'm not arguing with Adam's use of ChaCha for it. It just bugs me that we aren't filling in as much randomness as we could! _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list email@example.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography