Zero out default-margins before positioning, and most differences will > be gone.
Georg, Thanks for that ...that eliminated the difference between IE and Firefox, so I don't need the html>body hack anymore. However, the Opera still brings in the date stamp lower. http://www.drkdesign.com/LVS/phpintro/ Do you know of a specific fix for Opera? Debbie ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/