Have you checked MaxDesign's Listamatic (http://css.maxdesign.com.au/) or Stu's CSSplay (http://www.cssplay.co.uk/)? Both are excellent sites that provide templates for building menus and other fancy stuff with CSS. Great resources with tutorials and info for beginners (like you and me!)--I've spent hours at both sites playing around with the templates and learning about how CSS works. You might find something to help you with your horizontal nav bar and drop-downs. ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/