On Feb 1, 2008, at 6:11 AM, Ken Davies wrote: > Original site http://www.equestrian-jewelry.com/index.htm - > Right now > I am just worried about the top banner.
Off the cuff, here's the approach I'd take to the banner. I've done no testing on it, apart from Safari and Firefox, so it's not presented as a final solution, but rather as a place for you to start from: HTML <div id="banner"> <img src="Animation11.gif" alt="" width="80" height="56" /> <img src="BCG100.gif" alt="Logo" id="logo" width="94" height="53" /> <p>Horse jewelry for equestrians and horse lovers.</p> <p>Breeds of horses, barrel racing, rodeo, dressage, jumping and polo</p> </div> CSS #banner { padding: 3px; text-align: center; width: 858px; height: 53px; border: 3px double black;} #banner img { float: right; } #banner img#logo { float: left; } #banner p { margin: 0; padding: 0; font-weight: bold; font-size: 110%;} Commentary: I don't like CSS class names that are tied to the presentation, especially during development. During development, many aspects of the design are likely to change, and then I'll have to go back through all the pages and change the class name. I think it's a much better practice to create class and ID names related to the meaning/ function of the object being styled. Hence "logo" instead of "floatleft". I also don't like using any more semantically empty tags (div, span) than I absolutely have to, hence only one. It junks up the document to use multiples, and while I'm not against doing so if I have to for a desired effect, I never do it needlessly. With CSS on the scene, tags like "b" and "i" become redundant. Forget they even exist is my advice. That's what CSS is for. The "p" for the title text is probably non-optimal. I'm not sure where you;re going with this, but replacing them with any sort of header tag would work as well, though you'll have to change the font- size to do so. At a guess, I'd say you're overthinking it, and that's why you're stressed. The process is simple: 1. Content first. Write the text and select the images. 2. Break the document into logical sections, if possible. 3. Decide what the function of each element is. Is it a heading? then mark it with an "h" tag of the appropriate level. If it's an image/ description pair you could put it in a table (image in one column, description in the other) or a definition list (dt for image, dd for description). Only now do we get to CSS Notice to this point we haven't given a single thought to appearance. They're off-topic for the list, so I avoided detail, and won't discuss them further on list. But here we start with CSS, so I'll walk you through what I did to get the above code I wanted two images, one at each end. One was the logo, so the logo ID would be enough to call it out. Since there isn't another img in the banner, a general img style could float it to the other side. You can reverse the two images n the HTML file, if you want. The greater specificity of the logo styling will always pre-empt the general float right to send it left. Next, the original had two lines of text, centered, so I centered all the text in the banner. I killed the margins and padding because the browser defaults vary, and they all pretty much suck (browsers are lousy at typography). You can tinker farther with this by playing with line-height as well as padding and margin. That gave me the images and the text, but the border wasn't there. The old site looked like a double border, so that's what I loaded here. Then I adjusted the height of the banner div (when the images floated, they were removed from the flow of the document, so the banner container shrank to the height of the text. You *could* play with the text size until the box was the right size, but that's open to being clobbered by someone using a strange text size (Yes, that's you, Felix ;{>} ) Now if you wanted to make it bulletproof (for modern browsers) you might want to recast the div and image sizes in ems, so they would grow along with the text. That would probably mean recreating the images at a larger size, then forcing the browser to shrink them down to "normal," but it's possible. Then as text size grows, the design elements grow with it. (Like implementing Opera's "zoom" feature in CSS for the other browsers.) But that's just personal quirks. You might want to take a look at "Eric Meyer on CSS", where he walks through the process of taking a site from a table into pure CSS. (And I'd recommend it even if he wasn't the founder of our feast, so to speak.) Or, if you're wanting to work a bit harder, pick up "Transcending CSS" (Andy Clarke's absolutely wondrous volume which epitomizes the ideal that a book on design should be a thing of beauty). The latter assumes a basic knowledge of CSS, though, so if you don't get it first, you may find parts of it hard slogging. Have Fun, Arlen ------------------------------ In God we trust, all others must supply data ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/