Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Sorry, Ada, I am sure you are not interested in this digression :
if you look at the Web-Consultants version, you will see that
I have also made some improvements to the horizontal menu bar,
but I am unclear what changes you would also like to make to
the vertical one.
Philip. The document that Ada has it which you did some work is xthml
traditional, has way to many divs and table elements. It has
text-align:center for the container. This does center block elements
in IE6 and IE7. The document basically caters for the lowest
dominator, that being IE5.
Come on Eric : rule the remainder of this message off-topic and
declare the thread closed :-)
Why?
"G.Sørtun" wrote:
Whose talking about /ignoring/ standards?
If you choose include CSS that is invalid, then
you are ignoring the CSS standard, just as if
you choose to drive at 100mph on a motorway,
you are ignoring both the speed limit and the law.
We can now use opacity:0.1 and that filter is something to help older
versions of IE with that spry menu.
There's a practical side of web design that neither I, nor W3C, ignore...
"Follow standards as well as you can and as far as possible, but no need
to follow them off the cliff".
...which is why you will find such non-standard, proprietary, CSS even
on sites to those who are responsible for the standards we have, and
those that will come in the future. The need for
non-standard/proprietary code will disappear when all browsers in
widespread use are up to standards, and not before.
There is no /need/ for non-standard/proprietary code : some
authors elect to use such things, which is their privilege,
but no-one is /forced/ to do such things.
Did the document in question have IE conditional comments?
Back in the good old days of Netscape, I would use the
topmargin/leftmargin/<whatever> hacks that were required
in the body tag in order to get the page to render correctly
in Netscape, but I also used a DOCTYPE that declared these
attributes, and thus my pages were valid (albeit not valid
HTML 4.01). However, as far as I am aware, there are no
analogous facilities for declaring that the dialect of CSS
that one is using is an extension (or derivative) of an existing
W3C standard rather than a current standard per se.
Philip Taylor
Mmmm, I arrived late for the good old day by say 10 years. Maybe that
why I do what I do. Helping MS in there quest to rid IE5, IE6 and IE7
from this planet and help those still working on specking CSS2.1 which
is still not a standard.
BTW, not that I fully support Georg and his CSS technique. I presume
he has come out of hibernation since Molly the cat has been aroused at
hearing about a new toy to play with. Maybe IE9 may show Opera up a
little. :-)
--
Alan http://css-class.com/
Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo
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