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MJ:
    To PROTECT from FORCE and FRAUD an individual's RIGHT to
    his OWN life is the ONLY legitimate function of Government
J FROST wrote:
   Then why does the government protect whores, homosexuals
   dope users, drunks "rights"

   If the Constitution protect's an individual's right to
   his OWN life then why does the government engage in the
   contrary and sacrifice the lives/rights of some so
   perverts can have their "rights"

MJ:
READ again the statement above attributed to me.




MJ:
    The Constitution enumerates specific areas in which
    legislation may be enacted -- ALL of these serve to
    protect ALL individuals from FORCE and FRAUD.
J FROST wrote:
   Then why doesn't the Constitution protect us from
   government's force of taxes, the draft and all other
   government mandates?

MJ:
Article I, section 8, clause 1 and its complement amendment
16 permit taxation for the expressed purposes so enumerated
within ...


J FROST wrote:
   If the Constitution protects us from fraud, then why
   isn't the Constitution protecting us from the fraud
   of every lying politician who calls this a democracy.
   Why doesn't the Constitution protect us from the fraud
   of paying taxes for the express of ss and then using
   that money for other things?

MJ:
Because the electorate is ignorant and prefers to be cared for
to freedom.  Government is FORCE ... unless this force is held
in check (voters?) what can one doto stop it?  Hence my
comparison to a gang.

Keep in mind there is a difference between the reality of
what is plainly written within the Constitution AND what
the Government of the United States perpetrates on its people.


MJ:
    The constitution separates religion and government.
    [Politicians regularly implement the agenda of
     whatever group it hopes to garnish the favor of
     votes.]

J FROST wrote:
   The word "separation" is no where to be found in that
   part of the Constitution... this is more politician
   fraud that the Constitution does not protect us from.
   The Constitution states that the government shall
   make no laws to establish religion or such things
   concerning laws. The politicians have mocked the
   Constitution and have enacted laws concerning the
   Constitution.

MJ:
You lost me here ... if one 'shall make no law respecting
an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof', such is pretty much 'separated'.


J FROST wrote:
   If there is a "separation of church and state" then
   tell me why in the transcripts of presidents, congress,
   governors ... while in official capacity ... in public
   buildings they speak of God, prayer and quote the bible
   thousands of times every year?
MJ:
Strawman.  I stated nothing in regards to 'separation of
church and state'.


J FROST wrote:
    A republic is defined as a government in which the
    people control the government through representatives.
    The Constitution speaks of the laws of the people,
    for the people by the people.
    Because what the people have a conflict of wills,
    which segment of people are in control of the government
    in your dream of a "republic"?
MJ:
By whose definition?
The founders most certainly set up no such system as is evident
by the 'leadership' selection AND the limitations upon WHAT may
be accomplished by such a government.



Regard$,
--MJ

Pragmatism is the convenient conclusion reached by those who lack
the patience or intelligence to formulate a consistant ideology.
-- Mark G. Hanley

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