-Caveat Lector-
In a message dated 2/7/99 11:21:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
<< #1 You support the "freedoms" of drunks, dope users and all the above
to endanger and sacrifice a % of innocent victims or
#2 You do not support the freedoms of people to endanger and sacrifice
any victims?
#3 or .. you are a two face hypocrite who denies others the same
freedoms you wish to grant drunks and dope users?
Which is it Jethro?
((MY ANSWERS: #1 NO, the way you have stated it is do I support those groups
being allowed to sacrifice innocent victims, absolutely not, no one should be
allowed to hurt another (innocent) person, period. #2 That is correct I do
not support a persons freedom to harm others, I THOUGHT I MADE THIS CLEAR. #3
I don't want to give ANYONE the freedom to hurt others, period, whether dope
users or drunks, or Joe Tea-totaler either. AGAIN, you make the specious
argument that being allowed to drive drunk is THE SAME as harming or
"sacrificing" someone, IT IS NOT! UNTIL AN INJURY HAS BEEN DONE TO PERSON OR
PROPERTY NO CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED. It's simple, why can't you get it? NO
ONE HAS THE "RIGHT" TO HARM ANOTHER INNOCENT PERSON, PERIOD.
///
Your arguments are specious and you jump to ridiculous conclusions.
My opinion of course.
The connections you make in your e-mails are not valid.
It boils down to freedom, as you say, but freedom to do as one pleases as
long
as it does not hurt someone else or damage property that does not belong
to
you.
\\\
* Note how this one WILL NOT RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS.
((Done))
* Next he says it is his opinion but he does not give HIS opinion of any
other possibilities then the 3 listed (THERE ARE NONE !)
((Done, No one has the right to harm others. Neither dope users, or drunks as
you say, nor someone who is perfectly sober. I support everyone's right to do
WHATEVER they want as long as they do no injury to person or property
(excluding their own). When injury is done they lose that right and should be
punished. Simple, that is the other option.))
* The connections I make are not valid, but he has no reason why
they are not valid. His original arguments were it is the "freedom"
of people to endanger others and sacrifice a % of others so they
can get their cookies off.
((Someone driving drunk is not a criminal since no damage has been done to
property or person just by his act of driving. You assume that he
automatically is guilty of killing or hurting property. Not so. If he
injures person or property he loses his rights and is subject to punishment.
PERIOD. Your arguments make assumptions that are invalid. People who take
drugs or drink are not universally "stupid" or "in a stupor" to such a point
that they AUTOMATICALLY kill or injure.))
Every one of my examples fit HIS arguments.
((NO they don't. You address nothing directly.))
* Next he says people should have their freedoms as long as it does not
harm others, BUT THE FACT IS dopers/drunks... when in a stupor DO
Cause us to pay higher taxes, cause us to pay higher insurance, injure
and kill
innocent people ! >>
((So do SOBER PEOPLE who have never had a drink. Or perhaps you deny that
anyone who is sober does anything that causes your taxes or insurance to go
up? Does your criteria support these people's punishment? I ask you, should
they be punished to? ))
Teo1000
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