From: Derek Hiemforth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CazzyDog and all -
This is certainly not intended to be an attack on CazzyDog, and
I hope no one takes it as such. I have no reason to believe the
person CazzyDog spoke to is not who they claim to be. But I think
there are some questions that need to be answered before accepting
everything he has to say, so I'll go ahead and pose some of them.
Call it devil's advocate if you like. :-)
I realize that these questions would best go to M. Dagobert
himself, but as I am not fluent in French, perhaps someone can get
answers on behalf of those of us on the list who do not speak the
language.
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Today, December 12, I had a few hours conversation with Roger-Rene' Dagobert
>de' Groucy. The direct and treu descendant of Dagobert II.
[snip]
>he is a true and recognized descendant of Dagobert
Recognized by who? I thought the orthodox historical position was
that DagobertII didn't have any heirs. On what grounds should we
accept his claim to legitimacy as any more serious than Plantard's?
>He states with certainty that the M. Pierre' Plantard is an imposter and
>explained in detail, some which I did not fully understand, Plantard's reason
>for the impersonation. But centers on money and power.
>He also claims the Priory of Sion does NOT exist in modern day, but is the
>creation of Plantard and friends for semi-political prupose and to be used to
>claim what it rightfully in the Dagobert family.
Without a throne (or presumably lands, etc.), what sort of money or
power would Plantard and his cronies steal from the Dagobert family?
Ie, what money or power rightfully belonging to the Dagoberts is there,
and how much of it (if any) did Plantard get? I can understand the idea
that Plantard was hoping to create a strong enough modern myth that some
kind of formality monarchy was restored to France, and he hoped to be the
one crowned when that happened. But since nothing came of that, so what?
Why is Plantard signifigant to the Dagoberts? Was he some actual threat
to them or their goals? Are they also trying to restore the Merovingians
to the throne of France?
>M.Daogbert explains that the "treasure" of Rennes -Le- Chateau was first
>discovered by Dagobert II's second wife, Giselle de Razes, after they were
>married at RLC. It was NOT found prior to that, so it is both Merovingian and
>Visigoth by marriage.
>The wealth he discovered there financed the reconquest of Aquitaine, and many
>other military and political operations throughout history.
>This is the same treasure rediscovered by Boudet/Saunier and in time, the
Nazi
>SS discovered the same wonderful treasure of RLC.
>There are many names involved here including Napolean and Mitteraund. The
>treasure seems to have been known by a select few and it is so vast a
>treasure, that it does have the power to change history, via financing
>military and political situations.
>The treasure, as M. Dagobert explained to me is a massive gold and iron mine
>in the area of Rennes Le Chateau, first discovered by Giselle.
This simply does not seem believable to me. Here are a few reasons why
it doesn't seem believable to me:
1. Mining on a scale large enough to have financed "many...military and
political operations throughout history" would be known by everyone in the
area. Even if it was mined carefully, people would have become suspicious
over time of where this wealth was coming from, and others would have found
it.
2. Gold fever is a common ailment. Sooner or later, someone who knew about
the mine would have let their greed get to them and either been so obvious
that the secret got out, or they would have bled the mine dry.
3. Sauniere (as far as I know) and Boudet (likewise) were not associated
with gold, ever. With as many people have researched the RLC mystery for
the last century, someone would have uncovered witnesses who saw gold being
exchanged, etc.
4. If Plantard knows enough to be a serious threat to the Dagoberts, then
he probably also knows where the mine is. This undercuts the idea that
Plantard was fooling people for money.
5. If the source of Sauniere's money was gold, Marie Denaraud would have
known about it (and would probably have helped him). If she had access to
gold, she would not have lived her later years on the charity of others.
6. There were a lot of Nazis. If they had mining operations going on
there, one of them would have either spilled the beans by now, or tried to
get it himself.
7. In order for this to be true, the vein could never have been discovered
(after Gizelle found it) by anyone outside the "clique" of those in the
know and allowed to use the mine. If it was, they would have no reason to
keep it secret, and would have gotten rich off of it.
8. If the source of Sauniere's money was gold, he could have just said
so to avoid clerical wrath.
Church Official: "Father, where did you get all this money?"
Sauniere: "I found some gold in the hills."
Official: "Is there any more?"
Sauniere: "No."
Official: "Show me where you found it."
[Sauniere takes him somewhere with no gold.]
Sauniere: "I thought to spend the money on refurbishing the church and
feeding the parishoners."
Official: "Well done, Father."
If Sauniere had to be really hush-hush about the gold, then he must
have been in cahoots with the Dagoberts for something. But if that's
so, why did they allow him to draw so much attention with his lavish
spending?
And why no excess money for Boudet?
>I await the letters and papers from M.Dagobert, when I get them, I will most
>certainly share with you all.
I look forward to hearing about what they contain. I know I've sounded
very harsh in this email, but I am genuinely interested in what he has to
say. It's entirely possible that my objections are not valid.
>Holy Blood, Holy
>Grail would not have even existed if this is the true story and would not
have
>made as much money for the authors. I wonder why no one else contacted him,
>unless they did, and thought sensationalism would outsell truth at Barnes and
>Noble. Odd how a Dagobert exists and all these authors left THAT stone
>unturned.
Perhaps he was not advertising himself as a Merovingian then. How did
you find out about him?
> Could M.Dagobert by lying? maybe. Could HE be the real PoS?
>Again..maybe, but judging by his reaction to the questions I asked him and
how
>he seemed pleased someone from the States was talking to him, I think not. He
>seemed a very learned man with no air of elitism or negative attitude.
I respect your impression, but gently remind you that Plantard made
a very favorable impression on the authors of HBHG...
>This was a wonderful conversation and I am glad I made the call.
I too! I look forward to hearing more about it.
- Derek Hiemforth
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