I know some may not care about this discussion, but it does seem relevant and I find interesting the 'real-time' uses of conspiracy theory and its relevant defractions that are used in this debate. A debate by researchers trying to fathom some morsals of history, both using to defend positions, one to refute, the other to lay claim for validation of some bloodline claim. A claim of what . . . ? Kingship? Lands? Taxes? After reading many 'heavy conspiracy tomes, One day, many, many years ago, I saw a new book and thought I'd get away from the Cia, spies and all. Read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and by the end the Cia and spies was back in the story. This 'cultural framework' , the magdalena mysteries, PoS etc are very much 'public' for a reason. Now as to what that reason is . . .quien sabe? Om K -----
From: Tim Carmain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Tim my friend please do as I did and utilize both www.dogpile.com and > www.mamma.com. to run a search on Giselle de Razes, one or more lineage type > locations will come up. > That is is the source of my information, and with your expertise surpassing > mine in this arena, maybe you can find out more. > Peace...Dog I did as you suggested and looked up the sources you've quoted. Unfortunately, www.mama.com is not accessible anymore, as the domain name is up for sale. The other one, www.dogpile.com, yielded two files for "Giselle de Razes". The first mentioned that she was married to Dagobert II, but did not list any children from this marriage. The second file gave the father of Merovee, King of Franks (founder of the Merovingian Dynasty) as one Archadius Claudius Claudianus. This doesn't jibe with anything I've ever seen before, as the father of Merovee is usually listed as Faramond, or Pharamond. It also struck me as strange that a man called "Claudius Claudianus" wouldn't be the son of a man named Claudius, as the name structure indicates; his father is listed as Theodosius Magnus. Anyway, having seen this I knew I was in for a real treat. The line continued with a very fanciful treatment of the purported descendance of Dagobert II, as follows: 1. Dagobert II, m. 2nd, Giselle de Razes. 11. Adela/Ida of Nivelles, m. 1st, Pepin of Landen. 111. Begga, m. Ansegis, Mayor of the Palace. 1111. Pepin of Heristal 11111. Charles Martel 111111. Pepin the Short 1111111. Charlemagne I thought it looked fishy, considering that most sources place the birth of Dagobert II's father Siegebert, King of Austrasia at about 631, whereas his purported great-granddaughter Begga was born in 613. Quite a feat to be eighteen years younger than your own great-granddaughter! The wife of Pepin of Landen, and mother of St. Begga of Brabant, was St. Itta of Landen, daughter of Ansbertus "The Senator" and Blithilde of Cologne, daughter of Chloderic "the Parricide", King of Cologne. You can verify this information on the web by doing searches under any of the names listed above, or in just about any book on the subject. I can send you particulars if you're interested. Pommarede > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from > the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). > Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.
