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12/23/02 12:05:27 PM, William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Isn't it better to help Volkswagen out than to be killed?
>  The point was that these Zionists were given breaks that even common German
>  citizens were not. Seems to me that this collaboration is rather interesting.

I'm not sure the folks who remained in Germany were "Zionists" for the most part.  They
were considered to be highly undesireable and given the war efforts on the Eastern 
Front,
they were replacements for those who were being frozen to death on the plains and in 
the
Steppe.

Slavery is an indefensible institution for the most part.  Just ask who knows how many 
GIs
who are suffering from Gulf War Syndrome and a variety of other afflictions like being
governed by a fellow who bugged out of his commitment while those who spent their lives
making sure he would be replaced.  Of course, the GIs volunteer(ed) and did and do get
moolah for their efforts.  Yet, being denied care and treatment for those things they 
HAD to
do (turning down a paycheck or saying "I quit" don't keep no one outta 
Leavenworth)(here
the moolah is like the slaves' housing and food) as a modern form of indentured 
servitude.
Yes, there are benefits to being "freed" just as their are benefits to having been 
"chained".

We can debate all the live long day what was better ... certain death or the 
emaciation of
body and soul with life or death as certain as the toss of a coin ... BUT a lot 
depends on
whether that determination is made by the individuals concerned or the observors.
Schindler's list of folks (read the book instead) apparently felt that being workers 
was
better than being wormers.  Thom Jefferson's dilemma was multifold given his position 
and
experience.  Did he keep his people in relative safety and security or did he let them 
go to
uncertain futures?  Did he let them go on out to assimilate or would he have risked 
another
Haiti (the reason for his closing the sale on the Louisiana Purchase)?  Did he allow 
the
status quo or was he going to sacrifice everything he gained by establishing the United
States to allow it to dissolve in a Civil War?

We can sit back all the live long day and "doo-da, doo-da" about what shoulda been done
or what coulda been done or what woulda been done, strutting like barnyard cockfowl
about how things mighta been different and perhaps better -- through the lens of the 
eyes
of our times.  Don't forget that many if not most of our forebears made these 
judgments for
us when they told their Motherlands and Fatherlands to "kiss off" and came to North
America ... many to become wage and other kinds of slaves.  There was a different dream
that kept them going, though.  Shackled yes; and alive.  Work made some people free.

It's all a matter of degree that none of us can understand except through our own 
reason
and experience and reasons.

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