Re: [CTRL] "EMERGENCY POWERS"

[Jim Rarey]

-Caveat Lector- It's all unconstitutional anyway. Under the Constitution, the president has no additional "emergency powers." The only provision in the Constitution for emergency powers is suspension of the PRIVILEGE of habeas corpus (Article I, Section 9.2), but only in cases of invasion or rebellion and the power is granted to the Congress, not the Executive.   JR   ----- Original Message ----- From: Nakano Nakamura To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] "EMERGENCY POWERS" -Caveat Lector- --- Joshua Tinnin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  -Caveat Lector- "not some archaic and possibly irrelevant lack of dotting the Is and crossing the Ts." _____________________________________________________ Nakano replies: If it were only that Joshua...only that. As the Church Senate Committee Report states {paraphrased} - "The United States has existed under a continuous Declared State of Emergency since 1933." This means the U.S. Constitution has been suspended since 1933. This means the president, whoever he is, has extraordinary powers...very nearly full dictatorial powers. This means a "government of, by, and for the People" has been inoperative since 1933. We see the government doing all sorts of things that we know are "unconstitutional". How can they do this? It's really simple. The Constitution is largely not in effect. Imagine a new Congressperson goes off to Washington. He or she is "gonna clean up this mess". They are going to work to "set things right". They get to Washington, and quickly learn that the government they thought they were going to be a part of, is not the government that is running the country. They quickly learn "how the cow ate the cabbage". If they want to stick around, they are forced to play the game.  Since the pay, the perks, and the priviliges are great....they want to stick around. The Executive is runninging the country under "Emergency Powers" via "Executive Orders". The Congress is little more than a debating forum for the political parties. If you doubt this, look at this hard fact. Under the Constitution, only Congress has the power to make war. When was the last time Congress declared war? The answer is...........1941. How many wars has the United States fought since 1941? A bunch! It's a very long list. Included on that list are Korea and Vietnam. Bottom line is, under the "Declared State of Emergency" a president can do just about any damn thing they want. We continue to have elections to maintain the illusion that this is still a Constitutional Republic.      Nakano > And some people say it was Lincoln who did this ... > > But what I really wonder about is, even if both of > these states of emergency > were never lifted officially, how, exactly, is this > apparent or evoked? I > mean, I know that there are serious problems with > the government and its > un-Constitutional actions and have been for some > time, but it seems to me > that all of this could and would have happened no > matter if the emergency > states were set back to "normal" after the time of > the actual emergencies > had passed. After all, a lot of people in office are > more than willing to > acquiesce to whoever dangles the right carrot in > front of them, and that's > all it really takes, not some archaic and possibly > irrelevant lack of > dotting the Is and crossing the Ts. > > - jt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nakano Nakamura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Quoted from news report: > "After Saturday's disaster, President Bush invoked > his > EMERGENCY POWERS to authorize the Federal Emergency > Management Agency to spend whatever federal funds > are > needed to help with debris recovery and otherwise > pay > expenses in Texas and Louisiana related to the > incident." > > In fact, the United States has been under a > continuous > "State of Emergency" in which the president has > "Emergency Powers" since Congress and Franklin > Roosevelt declared a "State of Emergency" in 1933. > (See Church Committee Report U.S. Senate) > > Nakano > > <A HREF="'http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.orghttp://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > ========== > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. > Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. 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