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I very much doubt that one-godder-theists with their plethora of squabbles internal and external, often over the most banal of theological minutia, need any help toward schism and dysfunctional 'unity' from so-called New Agers. Monotheists do a far better job of screwing each other over than any outsiders. They have shed each others blood over such profound societal issues as to whether god is one person or three.
 
Roman Catholicism (aka Globalism), is a political totalitarian system which masquerades as a religious faith. It has spilt more human blood than any other pseudo religious organism.
 
The Nazi's had simply learnt from their Roman Catholic monks, clerics and mentors - on the Jews for example:

"The isolation of Jews into ghetto camps, the wearing of the yellow spot, the burning of Jewish books, and finally the burning of the people--- Hitler learned it all from the Church. However, the Church burned Jewish women and children alive, while Hitler granted them a quicker death, choking them first with gas." "The clergymen don't tell you whom to kill; they just tell you whom to hate." [Dr. Dagobert Runes, Historian, child of a Holocaust victim.]

European nations were also incited by an official RC Jesuit publication, "Civilta Cattolica", which promoted anti-Semitism and encouraged exclusion of Jews from all of Europe. The Vatican willingly concurred with opinions of many of her fanatical and vociferous anti-Semitic Jesuit intellectuals.

The Jesuit Enrico Rosa for example, an editor at La Civilta Cattolica, whose articles had been published was regarded as an anti-modernist opinion leader who supported the traditional attitudes and values of the Vatican and, in particular, a segregationist solution to the Jewish Question. That solution has been characterized as "permissible anti-Semitism". 

In one article he had "conceded" – or in reality he had promoted the idea – that "if the Jews are on our soil, they have not come to it innocently, but rather in order to take it away from us Christians, or to plot against our faith," since ultimately "they are an enemy whose goal is to appropriate our land and deprive us of heaven."

As if to deliberately goad Hitler into proving that it was possible, he had noted that a remedy such as "expulsion of Jews as foreigners" … would not be possible in a generalized way, especially if it had to be applied in all civilized countries. "Indeed," he noted, "it would contravene God’s plan," which requires the preservation of Israel, even though it is dispersed, as a "concrete argument for the truth of Christianity." [Emphasis added.] Few statements could have been contrived to inflame Hitler’s messianic passion and determination any more than that.

After some of the truth of what Nazi Germany had done was disclosed, some 15 years after the events, Pope John XXIII was aghast at what had been done to the Jews in the name of God and Jesus. He wrote an entreaty and addressed it to the Christian world:

"The mark of Cain is stamped upon our foreheads. Across the centuries, our brother Abel has lain in blood which we drew, and shed tears we caused by forgetting Thy love. Forgive us, Lord, for the curse we falsely attributed to their name as Jews."

Those who did rescue the mass murderers from the hand of justice were not solely the likes of Peron and his secret police but the Roman Catholic church and its emissaries.

It was the Roman Catholic church which, through its priests, churches, monasteries and forged Vatican passports, managed to foil the post-war hunt for Nazi criminals.

Consider that in an allegedly modern, scientific, intelligent society the irrational and obsequious act afront (a likely homosexual or paedophile) male cleric acting the part of a magician who miraculously transforms wine and a potato chip wafer into the "real blood and real flesh" of a 2,000 year dead man and then has folks communally engage in a ritual act of deistic cannibalism.

It's unhelpful to the cause of truth to cover-up this institution and its clerics adoption and promulgation of Hitler and the Nazi movement by deflecting nonsensical blame upon New Age-ism which at best is a disorganised milieu of esoteric thought rather than a hierarchical and political power structure like the Vatican with agents loyal to the pope and a foreign State (i.e. Vatican City) in every sector of our society - Religious, Military, Corporate and the Intelligence Services.
 
Zuukie's deflection of the Vatican's involvement is essentially identical to the 1998 obfuscation employed by the current pope employed to misdirect attention from the Vatican's Nazi collaboration and support, towards blame on some ethereal and abstract pagan occultism, "The Shoah was the work of a thoroughly modern neo-pagan regime" claimed the Roman pontiff. The term "neo-pagan" is of course another idiom employed by various religious fundamentalists for the now quite passé New Age movement.
 
A more credible statement of the Vatican's role was made in 1939 by Roberto Farinacci, a member of Mussolini's Fascist Grand Council, while gloating with an air of Fascist triumphal-ism in "The Church and the Jews":

"We fascist Catholics consider the Jewish problem from a strictly political point of view ... But it comforts our souls to know that if, as Catholics, we became anti-Semites, we owe it to the teachings that the Church has promulgated over the past twenty centuries."

Dave.

 
 
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From: Zuukie
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Catholic Hitler With Nazi Photos!

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I can only refer others to the book The New Anti-Catholicism, the last acceptable prejudice" May  2003.  The New Agers have said they would turn monotheists against each other and destroy all sides of monotheism the easy way.  I would suggest that more effort is needed to expose the New Age agenda which is Nazism in action now.   Sutherland, why not try to present the entire picture of what Catholics faced under the Nazis, what suckered some of them in and what caused others to confront them.  It might help those who are dealing with New Agers now.
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Subject: [CTRL] Catholic Hitler With Nazi Photos!

-Caveat Lector-

Nazi photos

 

Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin

On April 20, 1939, Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars."

Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell

 

The Führer in Franken

Adolf Hitler (center) at the monument for the war dead in the small town of Franken. According to Ray Cowdery, Hitler rarely missed an opportunity to visit war memorials, even when a photographer was not present.

 

Source: Hitler: The Hoffmann Photographs, Vol. 1, Ray Cowdery, Ed., 1990

 

 

 

 

 

 Hitler greets Muller the "Bishop of the Reich" and Abbot Schachleitner

  Hitler Greets a Catholic Cardinal

 

 Catholic Bishops giving the Nazi salute in honor of Hitler


The two photos below show the Christianity of Nazis. They were published by Nazis during Hitler's reign:

Mementoes of German solders before the Christian cross and Hitler's Brown Army attending church service

The first photo comes from:

Die Jugend Des Fuhrers Adolf Hitler: Bildbuch uber die grossdeutsche Jugend, 1942
(The youth of the Fuhrers Adolf Hilter: Picture book for German youth)

The second comes from:

Das Braune Heer: mit einem geleitwort von Adolf Hitler
(The Brown Army: with a foreword by Adolf Hitler)

Mass meeting of the German Christian Movement
13 Nov.1933

A radical wing of German Lutheranism and the main Protestant branch supporting Nazi ideology, the German Christian Movement reconciled Christian doctrine with German nationalism and antisemitism.

(from the Museum of Tolerance)

 

 

 

 

Investiture of Reich Church Bishop, 1933

Women in traditional dresses joined Nazis at the investiture of Ludwig Muller as Reich Church Bishop. Muller praised the concept of "one mighty, all-embracing German people's church."

(from the Museum of Tolerance)

 

 

 

 

Hitler leaving Church

Hitler leaves the Marine Church in Wilhelmshaven.

(From: The German Propaganda Archive )

 

Hitler signing his autograph for a Christian fan

Source: Hitler in Seinen Bergen, Heinrich Hoffmann, Berlin, den 24.9.35

 

Hitler praying

The caption reads: "Der ergreifende Abschlub der Kundgebung in Wien: Wir treten zum Beten..."

[The touching and emotional end of the rally in Vienna: Let us pray...]

Source: Hitler: The Hoffmann Photographs, Vol. 1, Ray R. Cowdery, Ed., 1990

 

Hitler's mother's grave

Klara Hitler was a pious Catholic mother who raised Hitler according to her beliefs.

Hitler felt grief-stricken over his mother's death. She was buried alongside her husband in Linz, Austria. German soldiers here pay their respects to the grave in 1938.

Note the Christian cross on her monument.

Source: The Importance of Adolf Hitler, by Eleanor H. Ayer, Lucent Books, 1996 (p. 25)


 

A Cardinal marches with the Nazis

Cardinal Michael Faulhaber marches between rows of SA men at a Nazi rally in Munich.

 

Source: A Moral Reckoning: The Role of the Catholic Church in the Holocaust and Its Unfulfilled Duty of Repair by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen

 

Priests giving the Hitler salute

Priests giving the Hitler salute at a Catholic youth rally in the Berlin-Neukolln stadium in August 1933.

Source: Source: A Moral Reckoning: The Role of the Catholic Church in the Holocaust and Its Unfulfilled Duty of Repair by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen

 

Gott Mit Uns (God With Us)

EM German Army belt buckle (Stamped steel, 1937 pattern, made by "R S & S" for Richard Sieper & Sohne Ludenscheid). Photo from the German Militaria Catalog .

Also see "Guarding the Fuhrer: Sepp Dietrich, Johann Rattenhuber and the Protection of Adolf Hitler," Blaine Tayler, 1993, p. 165

 

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