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Oh
baloney Dave.
Jews
have had squabbles among themselves for thousands of years. This doesn't
discredit the truths basic to Judaism. Christians do the same. This
doesn't discredit what is valid in Christianity. It only shows that the
monotheistic religions are not dictatorships, but are human in that there are
ongoing arguments based on viewpoints that differ. It's not as if humans
discovered a "truth" thousands of years ago that led to a perfect one world
religion and one world government. Pagans didn't do it and monotheists
didn't do it also. That doesn't mean there hasn't been an ongoing fight
between the two of these groups for thousands of years. "So-called New
Agers?" New Agers are just the modernist version of paganism to gnosticism
to humanism. There is a whole line of paganists who never
disappeared. (See The Occult Underground and also The Occult
Establishment, both by James Webb, for example). And you know what...the
monotheists have considered them the enemy since the beginning based on the
commandment.
Everything you post about Catholics applies generally to Jews and other
monotheists. And pagans and New Agers as well. It's the human
thing. Not every person is totally satisfied at finding the perfect
solution for ever and ever. They find the weaknesses and are dissatisfied
with the fact that their group has not achieved utopia. Splinter groups
abound in all of the various attempts
So you found an antisemitic Catholic or Catholics.
Wow. Big search. You yourself are an example of an
anti-Christian. You aren't unique. Antisemitic Christians are as
common as your types are. Did you ever read anything about stereotyping
"The Other?"
By the
way, Pope John XXIII was an interesting example. While he made the Jewish
community happy with a bunch of mea culpas, he was a chief destroyer of
establishment Catholicism. It's interesting how liberal Catholicism,
liberal Judaism and New Age are in sync while Orthodox Judaism and
fundamentalist Christianity are in sync.
Sorry
Sutherland, save your cliches for the uninitiated.
-Caveat Lector-
I very much doubt that one-godder-theists with
their plethora of squabbles internal and external, often over the
most banal of theological minutia, need any help toward schism and
dysfunctional 'unity' from so-called New Agers. Monotheists do a far
better job of screwing each other over than any outsiders. They have shed each
others blood over such profound societal issues as to whether god is one
person or three.
Roman Catholicism (aka
Globalism), is a political totalitarian system which masquerades as
a religious faith. It has spilt more human blood than any other
pseudo religious organism.
The Nazi's had simply learnt from their Roman
Catholic monks, clerics and mentors - on the Jews for example:
"The isolation of Jews into ghetto
camps, the wearing of the yellow spot, the burning of Jewish books, and
finally the burning of the people--- Hitler learned it all from the Church.
However, the Church burned Jewish women and children alive, while Hitler
granted them a quicker death, choking them first with gas." "The clergymen
don't tell you whom to kill; they just tell you whom to hate."
[Dr. Dagobert Runes, Historian, child of a Holocaust
victim.]
European nations were also incited by an official
RC Jesuit publication, "Civilta Cattolica", which promoted
anti-Semitism and encouraged exclusion of Jews from all of Europe. The Vatican
willingly concurred with opinions of many of her fanatical and vociferous
anti-Semitic Jesuit intellectuals.
The Jesuit Enrico Rosa for example, an
editor at La Civilta Cattolica, whose articles had been published was
regarded as an anti-modernist opinion leader who supported the traditional
attitudes and values of the Vatican and, in particular, a segregationist
solution to the Jewish Question. That
solution has been characterized as "permissible anti-Semitism".
In one article he had "conceded" – or in reality
he had promoted the idea – that "if the Jews are on our soil, they
have not come to it innocently, but rather in order to take it away from us
Christians, or to plot against our faith," since ultimately
"they are an enemy whose goal is to appropriate our land and deprive
us of heaven."
As if to deliberately goad Hitler into proving
that it was possible, he had noted that a remedy such as
"expulsion of Jews as foreigners" … would not be possible in
a generalized way, especially if it had to be applied in all civilized
countries. "Indeed," he noted, "it would contravene God’s plan,"
which requires the preservation of Israel, even though
it is dispersed, as a "concrete argument for the truth of
Christianity." [Emphasis added.] Few statements could have been contrived
to inflame Hitler’s messianic passion and determination any more than
that.
After some of the truth
of what Nazi Germany had done was disclosed, some 15 years after the events,
Pope John XXIII was aghast at what had been done to the Jews in the name of
God and Jesus. He wrote an entreaty and addressed it to the Christian
world:
"The mark of Cain is stamped upon our
foreheads. Across the centuries, our brother Abel has lain in blood which we
drew, and shed tears we caused by forgetting Thy love. Forgive us, Lord, for
the curse we falsely attributed to their name as Jews."
Those who did rescue the mass murderers from the
hand of justice were not solely the likes of Peron and his secret police but
the Roman Catholic church and its emissaries.
It was the Roman Catholic church which, through
its priests, churches, monasteries and forged Vatican passports, managed to
foil the post-war hunt for Nazi criminals.
Consider that in an
allegedly modern, scientific, intelligent society the irrational and
obsequious act afront (a likely homosexual or paedophile)
male cleric acting the part of a magician who miraculously
transforms wine and a potato chip wafer into the "real blood and real
flesh" of a 2,000 year dead man and then has folks communally engage in a
ritual act of deistic cannibalism.
It's unhelpful to the cause of truth to
cover-up this institution and its clerics adoption and promulgation of Hitler
and the Nazi movement by deflecting nonsensical blame upon New Age-ism which
at best is a disorganised milieu of esoteric thought rather than
a hierarchical and political power structure like the Vatican with agents
loyal to the pope and a foreign State (i.e. Vatican City) in every sector of
our society - Religious, Military, Corporate and the Intelligence Services.
Zuukie's deflection of the Vatican's
involvement is essentially identical to the 1998 obfuscation employed by
the current pope employed to misdirect attention from the Vatican's
Nazi collaboration and support, towards blame on some ethereal and
abstract pagan occultism, "The Shoah was the work of a thoroughly
modern neo-pagan regime" claimed the Roman pontiff. The term
"neo-pagan" is of course another idiom employed by various religious
fundamentalists for the now quite passé New Age movement.
A more credible statement of the Vatican's
role was made in 1939 by Roberto Farinacci, a member of Mussolini's Fascist
Grand Council, while gloating with an air of Fascist triumphal-ism in
"The Church and the Jews":
"We fascist Catholics consider the Jewish
problem from a strictly political point of view ... But it comforts our
souls to know that if, as Catholics, we became anti-Semites, we owe it to the
teachings that the Church has promulgated over the past twenty
centuries."
Dave.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 1:59
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Catholic Hitler
With Nazi Photos!
-Caveat
Lector-
I can only refer others to
the book The New Anti-Catholicism, the last acceptable prejudice"
May 2003. The New Agers have said they would turn
monotheists against each other and destroy all sides of monotheism the
easy way. I would suggest that more effort is needed to expose the New
Age agenda which is Nazism in action now. Sutherland, why not
try to present the entire picture of what Catholics faced under the Nazis,
what suckered some of them in and what caused others to confront them.
It might help those who are dealing with New Agers now.
-Caveat Lector-
Nazi photos
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Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in
Berlin
On April 20, 1939, Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The
celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a
tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send
"warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops
and the dioceses in Germany with "fervent prayers which the
Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars."
Hitler's
Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell |
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The Führer in Franken
Adolf Hitler (center) at the monument for the war dead in the
small town of Franken. According to Ray Cowdery, Hitler rarely
missed an opportunity to visit war memorials, even when a
photographer was not present.
Source: Hitler: The Hoffmann Photographs, Vol. 1, Ray Cowdery,
Ed., 1990 |
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Hitler greets Muller the "Bishop of the Reich" and
Abbot Schachleitner |
Hitler Greets a Catholic
Cardinal |
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Catholic Bishops giving the Nazi salute in honor of
Hitler |
The two photos below show the Christianity of Nazis. They were
published by Nazis during Hitler's reign:
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Mementoes of German solders before the Christian cross and Hitler's
Brown Army attending church service
The first photo comes from:
- Die Jugend Des Fuhrers Adolf Hitler: Bildbuch uber die grossdeutsche
Jugend, 1942
- (The youth of the Fuhrers Adolf Hilter: Picture book for German
youth)
The second comes from:
- Das Braune Heer: mit einem geleitwort von Adolf Hitler
- (The Brown Army: with a foreword by Adolf Hitler)
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- Mass meeting of the German Christian Movement
- 13 Nov.1933
A radical wing of German Lutheranism and the main Protestant branch
supporting Nazi ideology, the German Christian Movement reconciled
Christian doctrine with German nationalism and antisemitism.
(from the Museum of
Tolerance)
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Investiture of Reich Church Bishop, 1933
Women in traditional dresses joined Nazis at the investiture of Ludwig
Muller as Reich Church Bishop. Muller praised the concept of "one mighty,
all-embracing German people's church."
(from the Museum of
Tolerance)
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Hitler signing his autograph for a Christian fan
Source: Hitler in Seinen Bergen, Heinrich Hoffmann, Berlin, den
24.9.35 |
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Hitler praying
The caption reads: "Der ergreifende Abschlub der Kundgebung in
Wien: Wir treten zum Beten..."
[The touching and emotional end of the rally in Vienna: Let us
pray...]
Source: Hitler: The Hoffmann Photographs, Vol. 1, Ray R.
Cowdery, Ed., 1990 |
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Hitler's mother's grave
Klara Hitler was a pious Catholic mother who raised Hitler
according to her beliefs.
Hitler felt grief-stricken over his mother's death. She was
buried alongside her husband in Linz, Austria. German soldiers here
pay their respects to the grave in 1938.
Note the Christian cross on her monument.
Source: The
Importance of Adolf Hitler, by Eleanor H. Ayer, Lucent Books,
1996 (p. 25) |
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Gott Mit Uns (God With Us)
EM German Army belt buckle (Stamped steel, 1937 pattern, made
by "R S & S" for Richard Sieper & Sohne Ludenscheid).
Photo from the German Militaria Catalog . |
Also see "Guarding
the Fuhrer: Sepp Dietrich, Johann Rattenhuber and the Protection of Adolf
Hitler," Blaine Tayler, 1993, p. 165
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