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Previous thread: Colorado's "heroes"
Fellow Lollards,
In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins:
<< I've actually admired Davis' way of dealing with the press...and
yes, I spotted right off that he was bluffing every time he said "I
don't know about that" and "I have no information regarding that">>
Let's first acknowledge Revcoal's apparently vast understanding of
police procedure. From reading Revcoal's comments, this person
must have previous experience in the following fields:
1) Telephonic Emergency Management
2) Press Conference Protocols
3) Dispatch Assignment
4) Crime Scene Management and Control
If you have not studied the above areas in detail; if you have not been
officially trained in the same; We are forced to presume that you are
an armchair quarterback-- spewing opinions based on what one might
have learned from watching Baywatch Nights and T.J. Hooker.
None of Revcoal's opinions can change a single fact.
1) The police entered the LIBRARY, several HOURS
after the initial flurry of bullets took flight.
2) Police waited outside, continuing to INSTRUCT THOSE INSIDE
to fend for themselves through the 911 dispatch operator.
3) The heavily armed and bullet-proofed S.W.A.T. [team] waited
outside--- while shots rang out for AT LEAST TWO hours.
4) Some students were inside for approximately THREE HOURS.
5) Police stood by, KNOWING there were innocent, UNARMED
men, women, and children inside the building....AS SHOTS
CONTINUED TO RING OUT FOR SEVERAL HOURS.
6) Police did not secure this building for almost SIX HOURS.
Those are the facts, and pointing out minor discrepancies with
a small portion of reports, does not change the overall picture.
Deal with it.
In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins:
<<I like it that Davis doesn't seem to be a robot parroting the
'official' line...*...I'd be really bothered if he was spoonfeeding
the press (and hence the public) packaged 'answers'...>>
Comments like these above, truly reveal Revcoal's abscence
of insight and lack of common sense for what is taking place.
The "official" line *IS*:
1) "I don't know".
2) "I am not aware at this time"
3) "I am not sure"
And these *ARE* the very lines that Davis
"roboted" and "spoonfed" to the press.
There is a distinct separation between parroting versions of
"I don't know", and at least acknowledging what has become
the common stock of public knowledge through not only the
first hand reports of students, but those of adults as well.
In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins:
<<he's (Davis) been leaving open the possibility of more than 2
people having done the shooting and bombing on Tuesday, and
that Harris and Klebold may NOT have died by their own hands.>>
Initially, the official police statements on the subject of
"other suspects", was a FLAT OUT, "NO, there are no
other suspects, both suspects are deceased."
While Davis' repeated "I don't knows" have not ruled out the possibility
of other suspects, it is a far cry from a purposeful intent of -- "leaving
open the possibility of more than 2 people"-- as Revcoal has attempted
to IMPLY-- and would *like* us to believe.
Secondly, the truth of the matter is that police did not begin to
acknowledge the possibility of another assailant, UNTIL the
public outcry on numerous radio stations (and various TV
interviews with eyewitnesses), made it clear that Coloradans
were not going to be brainwashed into forgetting facts like so
many of those in Oklahoma City were.
Davis dodges practically every single question, and
when asked if he is going to come back with some
REAL answers, Davis says that he has no need of
writing down the questions that he failed to answer,
because, (afterall), he has a good memory.
To this, Revcoal stated the following....
In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins:
<<Which was his way of saying "You'll get the answers on OUR
schedule, not YOURS..."...again, since this is an ongoing invest-
igation, I have no problem that he's not sucking up to the media
by giving them what they want, just so he can become a media
darling...That is called PROFESSIONALISM...>>
We must evidently add the title of professional psychic to the
already growing list of Revcoals assumed talents. We are most
fortunate to "really know" what he was "actually saying" via our
new talented medium.
What is the purpose of holding a press conference?
If a press conference is held to unleash FACTS, then we have
no need to "read between the lines" of "what he meant to say."
If the purpose is to buy time and string along facts and make
statements--which at base deny the truth of [now] well known
eye-witness accounts, then Davis held an excellent press
conference. And this, Revcoal calls "professionalism".
In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins:
<<First of all, it wasn't 'the police' saying that, but the 911 dispatcher;
secondly this call came within the first four minutes of the initial call,
hence the SWAT team wasn't even there yet...>>
Point Number One:
911 dispatchers are directly linked via telephone/radio to the
officers enroute to, or who have arrived at the crime scene.
The full-time security guard on campus was in direct con-
tact with police from the moment the shooting began.
Who does the 911 dispatcher work for....Public Water and Sewage?
Revcoal's comments seem to conveniently exclude the FACT
that the directions of the 911 operator, COINCIDED WITH THE
PLAN OF THE POLICE-- who did NOT enter the building for
SEVERAL HOURS.
Why?
Because the 911 dispatch operator was relaying information
on the fly, from police outside (and approaching) the crime
scene, to those inside.
Are we to assume that the 911 operator "took a guess"....and it
just happened to be a coincidence that the instructions of "try
to lock the door, and HIDE", happened to PARALLEL the police
and S.W.A.T. teams lack of action toward entering the building?
Revcoal's statements are completely void from the word "go".
Point Number Two:
As far as "the SWAT team wasn't even there yet"....
This is just a clever twist on the supposition that it would be
a S.W.A.T [team] who was supposed to rescue the innocents.
The fact of the matter is that in these types of situations, it is
usually a S.W.A.T. [team] who would attempt the rescue, not
a wild band of "go get 'em" parking meter attendants or police
rookies on break from a local training facility.
If you think you have a valid point, try to make it; But don't ever
make the mistake of thinking that I will let you get away with
twisting my words to make it appear as if you have a real
and debatable contention.
In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins:
<<Presumably because the switchboard got overwhelmed with incoming
calls; remember, there are just so many lines available, and they were
keeping some tied up, as in the case of the teacher you just mentioned,
where they made sure they kept her on the line...>>
Other list members have already pointed out the
folly of Revcoal's statement, and I can only add
the following...
A while back, when Gary North was on Art Bell, a caller stated that
it was people like Gary and Art, who were going to cause a bank
run because of their wild talk. North responded, "If a couple of old
geezers like us on a late night radio talk show can cause a world
wide banking crisis, (or even a national bank run), what does that
tell you about (the frailty of) the system?"
The same might be said toward Revcoal's
argument for the 911 lines being busy.
While the graveness of this tragedy is a certainty, the shock
and horror of it's reality does not change the event's opening
moments into the magnitude of an emergency that SHOULD
clog 911 lines; such as an earthquake or fire in an community
of apartment buildings.
If in an actual emergency of this magnitude the 911 lines are busy,
then the system is inefficient. Next, this brings up another subject,
which is that the time sequence of events places students outside--
fleeing into the surrounding neighborhood from one gunman, while
within a minute other students report the assailants in the library,
while other students report a gunman on the roof.
Lastly....
It is impossible that the fleeing students caused the
911 overload, and to suggest that keeping the teacher
on-line helped contribute to the "busy signal" that these
students WITH the teacher reported, is nonsensical.
In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins:
<<The first calls to 911, made at the beginning of the rampage,
were made at approx. 11:25am, during the school's lunch period...
so if the cops went in at 1pm, that's a 90 minute delay, NOT a
180 minute one...>>
The three hour comment comes from personally knowing
of people who were trapped inside for that length of time.
Further, pointing this out, does not take away from the
FACT that the police teams sat outside WHILE SHOTS
CONTINUALLY RANG OUT over the course of AT LEAST
TWO HOURS. Deal with it.
Personally, when I see that tragedies such as this, that might
have been sucessfully diffused before ever taking place, I pray
for those who lost loved ones, and I pray that the emotion of
the mindless mob (read: propagandized public) will not be
sucessfully driven into making poor decisions in legislature
while emotion runs rampant-- justifying that which is illogical.
As this event was sucessfully parleyed into effectively closing
the NRA convention, it was also used to close a local gun-show
that is held approximately once every other month.
The next stage of the plan, is to tie-in the guns used at the
High School shooting with the Gun Shows. BRADY II was
ineffective in closing gun shows across the U.S., but when
they claim that the guns used at Columbine were bought
FROM one of "those unneccessary gun shows" (and they
will), you can kiss buying guns for cash good-bye.
Revcoal, it is more than clear that the only factor which remains
consistent within your statements, is both their lack of congruity
towards, and denial of, those stubborn little things called FACTS.
I would hope that you might, at some point in time, realize that
you need to understand that, ANY form of manipulation by these
vipers should be called exactly what it is. Siding with them, and
calling them "professional" when they dodge questions and begin
to spin their web of lies, does not help any of us.
Still muttering,
Tsadowq
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