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Chip,
Again, you misrepresent me to make a point.
How come you never answer any of my question but just keep pouring
out your polemics.
Chip, you haven't read all of Sutton's work, just another lie told by
a troll.
Sean McBride is an Internet Troll, he is not a real person.
You have no credibility.
You have been attacking, harassing me and my forums for almost five
years, now, why?
I find you mealy-mouthed, duplicitous and disgusting.
Oh, by the way, Chip, where did you get your university training?
Peace,
K
On Jul 28, 2006, at 2:53 AM, Sean McBride wrote:
Kris,
Rupert Murdoch ranked 50th on the Forbes billionaires list in
2005, with a fortune of $7.8 billion. Let's round it off to $8
billion.
Do you know much $8 billion is worth, Kris? That's 8,000 million
dollars -- enough to hire and fire a zillion neoconservative
agitprop artists and pamphleteers, none of whom are even
millionaires. Murdoch owns and controls News Corp., Fox News, the
New York Post and the Weekly Standard, which are all platforms for
neoconservative propaganda.
Do you really want to suggest that Robert Kagan is anywhere in
the class of Rupert Murdoch? And you think you are capable of
doing serious political or conspiracy research?
Murdoch didn't attend Yale University and he is not a member of
Skull and Bones. He is more powerful and influential than
thousands of Robert Kagans.
It gets worse: your knowledge of neoconservatism is shallow, to
say the least. Kagan is a secondary figure at best.
Neoconservatism has been around for at least five decades, was
developed primarily in the pages of Commentary, and was founded by
Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz -- neither gentleman is a
member of Skull and Bones. Most of the key neocons are not members
of Skull and Bones, and many of them are associated with Harvard
University.
One can get a pretty good take on the intellectual level of Skull
and Bones by gazing upon the visage of George W. Bush. The effects
of fraternity in-breeding are sometimes not pretty to contemplate.
It's time you started doing your homework, Kris. Your world
model is seriously askew.
RoadsEnd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One reason is because there seems to be troubles with my
email delivery, recently many times message don't show up until
hours later and sometimes take awhile to post. This post just
showed up in my box now, even though I have answered some of the
emails created out of it. I kept looking for the originating one,
wasn't there until now. Curious, who's to say?
Chip,
You are the one that has been creating such a rukus about how the
neo-cons are so all-powerful and Bones is so yesterday's news. I
just pointed out that one of THE founders of the main neo-con
"front" was a member of the secret society, that you claim has no
power. I am just trying to understand you treachery so that I may
attempt to deconstruct it some more.
Well, let's see.
Robert Kagan
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robert Kagan (born September 26, 1958) is an American
neoconservative scholar and political commentator. He graduated
from Yale University in 1980, where he had been a member of Skull &
Bones. He is a co-founder of the Project for the New American
Century (PNAC) and was one of the signers of the January 26, 1998,
PNAC Letter sent to US President Bill Clinton. He is a member of
the Council on Foreign Relations. Robert's brother Frederick and
father Donald are also prominent American neoconservatives, and
also affiliated with the PNAC.
Kagan worked at the State Department Bureau of Inter-American
Affairs (1985-1988) and was the principal speechwriter for
Secretary of State George P. Shultz (1984-1985). Prior to that, he
was foreign policy advisor to New York Representative and future
Republican vice presidential candidate Jack Kemp (1983). Kagan is a
Senior Associate with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
Kagan, who has written for The New Republic, Policy Review, the
Washington Post, and the Weekly Standard, now lives in Brussels,
Belgium, with his family.
He is married to Victoria Nuland, the current U.S. ambassador to
the NATO and has two children, Elena and David.
Looks like pretty powerful positions. And powerful enough so that
his membership in Bones is omitted from his Wiki entry.
You think Murdoch is his own man? To each his own. CFR member.
He is getting ready to shill for the "hold your nose, vote for St.
Hill" upcoming ploy for us hoi polloi.
Mort Zuckerman, got some money owns NY Daily News and is editor
of US News & World Report, CFR, Power? Has to pay for it. What has
he accomplished?
Larry Ellison, rich guy, Needs customers, his customers are the
thieves that run the world. What is his political power?
Bruce Kovner another rich guy, American Enterprise Institute,
CFR, Yeah got some power.
Gee, Chip, by the way did you notice that the guys you mentioned
are either jewish or tied to the (shhh) the MOSSAD?
But let's see you play those four and I'll play,
George W. Bush
George HW Bush
John Negroponte
Eddie Lampert
Whose got more power.
And what about Fareed Zakaria? He is a member of the secret
society Order of Scroll & Key. the Editor of Newsweek
International, has a show on PBS called Foreign Exchange, appears
regularly on ABC's This Week and was managing editor of the Council
on Foreign Relations' magazine Foreign Affairs from 1992 to 2000.
Newsweek was started by a member of Bones as was Time/Life/
Fortune, etc. Where Sean the troll gets his info on the "civil war"
between the Bushes.
Gee, all these "competing" groups, many "feuding" factions all
gathered around the round table of CFR and the annual Bilderberger
and Davos meetings.
No conspiracy here folks move along, Sean the troll says CFR good
Neo-cons bad, Skull & Bones old hat. Let's all just imagine that.
Peace,
Kris Millegan
From:
On Jul 27, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Sean McBride wrote:
I recently remarked to you:
"Is Rupert Murdoch a member of Skull & Bones? Mort Zuckerman?
Larry Ellison? Bruce Kovner? Do you think they give a flying fuck
about some prissy Yalies, most of whom lack the talent to become
self-made billionaires and to join the club that really rules the
world?"
I didn't see a response.
I would like for you to explain why, say, Robert Kagan is more
powerful than Rupert Murdoch or Mort Zuckerman or Larry Ellison or
Bruce Kovner solely by virtue of the fact that he is a member of
Skull and Bones.
The truth is, in my estimation, that these self-made
billionaires, who operate as part of their own secret society, can
eat most Skull and Bones members for lunch.
Please try to address the issue without mentioning the completely
irrelevant Chip Berlet. You will greatly improve your credibility
if you do so.
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Kris,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></
FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Rupert Murdoch ranked 50th on
the Forbes billionaires list in 2005, with a fortune of $7.8
billion. Let's round it off to $8 billion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Do you
know much $8 billion is worth, Kris? That's 8,000 million
dollars -- enough to hire and fire a zillion neoconservative
agitprop artists and pamphleteers, none of whom are even
millionaires. Murdoch owns and controls News Corp., Fox News,
the New York Post and the Weekly Standard, which are all platforms
for neoconservative propaganda.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></
FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Do you really want to suggest
that Robert Kagan is anywhere in the class of Rupert Murdoch?
And you think you are capable of doing serious political or
conspiracy research?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </
DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Murdoch didn't attend Yale University and
he is not a member of Skull and Bones. He is more powerful
and influential than thousands of Robert Kagans.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>It gets
worse: your knowledge of neoconservatism is shallow, to say the
least. Kagan is a secondary figure at best.
Neoconservatism has been around for at least five decades, was
developed primarily in the pages of Commentary, and was founded by
Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz -- neither gentleman is a
member of Skull and Bones. Most of the key neocons are not
members of Skull and Bones, and many of them are associated with
Harvard University.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </
DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>One can get a pretty good take on the
intellectual level of Skull and Bones by gazing upon the visage of
George W. Bush. The effects of fraternity in-breeding are
sometimes not pretty to
contemplate.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's time you started doing your homework,
Kris. Your world model is seriously askew.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>RoadsEnd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></I></B>
wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><!-- Network
content --> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <DIV>One reason is because there
seems to be troubles with my email delivery, recently many times
message don't show up until hours later and sometimes take awhile
to post. This post just showed up in my box now, even though I have
answered some of the emails created out of it. I kept looking for the
originating one, wasn't there until now. Curious, who's to say?
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Chip, </
DIV> <DIV>You are the one that has been creating such a rukus
about how the neo-cons are so all-powerful and Bones is so
yesterday's news. I just pointed out that one of THE founders of
the main neo-con "front" was a member of the secret society, that
you claim has no power. I am just trying to understand you
treachery so that I may attempt to deconstruct it some more.</DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Well, let's
see. </DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>Robert Kagan</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-
style-span color=#000000>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</
FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><BR></
FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Robert
Kagan (born September 26, 1958) is an American neoconservative
scholar and political
commentator. He graduated from Yale University in 1980, where he
had been a member of Skull & Bones. He is a co-founder of the
Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and was one of the
signers of the January 26, 1998, PNAC Letter sent to US President
Bill Clinton. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Robert's brother Frederick and father Donald are also prominent
American neoconservatives, and also affiliated with the PNAC.</
FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><BR></
FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Kagan
worked at the State Department Bureau of Inter-American Affairs
(1985-1988) and was the principal speechwriter for Secretary of
State George P. Shultz (1984-1985). Prior to that, he was foreign
policy advisor to New York Representative and future Republican
vice presidential candidate Jack Kemp (1983). Kagan is a Senior
Associate with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.</
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#000000>Kagan, who has
written for The New Republic, Policy Review, the Washington Post,
and the Weekly Standard, now lives in Brussels, Belgium, with his
family.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
color=#000000>He is married to Victoria Nuland, the current U.S.
ambassador to the NATO and has two children, Elena and David.</
FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>Looks like pretty powerful positions. And powerful enough so
that his membership in Bones is omitted from his Wiki entry.</DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>You think
Murdoch is his own man? To each his own. CFR member. He is
getting ready to shill for the "hold your nose, vote for St. Hill"
upcoming ploy for us hoi polloi.</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-
placeholder></DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Mort
Zuckerman, got some money owns NY Daily News and is editor of
US News & World Report, CFR, Power? Has to pay for it. What has
he accomplished?</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></
DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Larry
Ellison, rich guy, Needs customers, his customers are the thieves
that run the world. What is his political power?</DIV> <DIV><BR
class=khtml-block-placeholder> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-
placeholder></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Bruce Kovner another rich guy,
American Enterprise Institute, CFR, Yeah got some power. </
DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Gee,
Chip, by the way did you notice that the guys you mentioned are
either jewish or tied to the (shhh) the MOSSAD?</DIV> <DIV><BR
class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>But let's see you play
those four and I'll play, </DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-
placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>George W. Bush</DIV> <DIV>George HW Bush</DIV> <DIV>John
Negroponte</DIV> <DIV>Eddie Lampert</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-
block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Whose got more power. </DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>And what
about Fareed Zakaria? He is a member of the secret
society Order of Scroll & Key. the Editor of Newsweek
International, has a show on PBS called Foreign Exchange, appears
regularly on ABC's This Week and was managing editor of the Council
on Foreign Relations' magazine Foreign Affairs from 1992 to 2000.</
DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Newsweek
was started by a member of Bones as was Time/Life/Fortune, etc.
Where Sean the troll gets his info on the "civil war" between the
Bushes.</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>Gee, all these "competing" groups, many "feuding" factions all
gathered around the round table of CFR and the annual Bilderberger
and Davos
meetings. </DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></
DIV> <DIV>No conspiracy here folks move along, Sean the troll says
CFR good Neo-cons bad, Skull & Bones old hat. Let's all just
imagine that. </DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></
DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>Peace, </DIV> <DIV>Kris Millegan</DIV>
<DIV>From: </DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></
DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV><BR>
<DIV> <DIV>On Jul 27, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Sean McBride wrote:</
DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV><FONT size=3>I recently remarked to you:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>"Is Rupert
Murdoch a member of Skull & Bones? Mort Zuckerman?
Larry Ellison? Bruce Kovner? Do you think they give a
flying fuck about some prissy Yalies, most of whom lack the talent
to become self-made
billionaires and to join the club that really rules the world?"</
FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
size=3>I didn't see a response.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></
FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>I would like for you to
explain why, say, Robert Kagan is more powerful than Rupert Murdoch
or Mort Zuckerman or Larry Ellison or Bruce Kovner solely by virtue
of the fact that he is a member of Skull and Bones.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>The truth
is, in my estimation, that these self-made billionaires, who
operate as part of their own secret society, can eat most Skull and
Bones members for lunch.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></
FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Please try to address the
issue without mentioning the completely irrelevant Chip
Berlet. You will greatly improve your credibility if you do
so.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV><SPAN
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