-Caveat Lector-
McBride," I have explained it , but you care to act like the Zombie
Troll that you are and continue to demand to frame the debate using
your criteria and your set of facts.
You have slander me daily from under your bridge. You do not respond
to questions. You do not respond to exposes of your lies. You just
zombie on.
That is because you are not a concerned American nor a "sincere
investigator," you are John Foster Berlet and his associates at
Political-Research Associates in the Boston area that uses the
Internet troll, "Sean McBride" for spook and surveillance purposes .
Prove me wrong!
McBride, you may believe the "words" spoken by politicians and their
mouthpieces, I do not. I have found that they lie.
Cui Bono is more telling than public statements.
Exxon and Carlyle are making enormous profits. The oil companies are
extracting this blood money daily from everybody's pocket.
The neo-cons are a lie. Read their own literature. Lies are policy.
You are a troll trying to impose a controlled dialectic, a binary
discussion.
Your conspiracy theory, that a small bunch of fundies are conspiring
against us, is the same one was used to "sell" 9,11.
Peace,
Kris Millegan
On Aug 6, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Sean McBride wrote:
> Bob,
>
> You didn't reference a single fact of contemporary American
> politics in your post, and failed to respond to any particular
> piece of the mountain of evidence that has been posted here
> revealing strong opposition in the Bush 41 camp, the CIA and the
> military establishment to the Iraq War and to the neocons' plans
> for wars against Iran, Syria and much of the rest of the Middle East.
>
> I'm curious: do you have any direct personal experience with any
> of the institutions that you speculate about?
>
> Also, can you sum up in a few paragraphs the key points regarding
> relations between the Bush 41 administration and Israel, making
> references to Israeli settlements, U.S. aid to Israel, James Baker,
> Yitzhak Shamir, the Israel lobby, neoconservatives, William Safire,
> Martin Peretz, the 1992 election, Victor Ostrovsky and related topics?
>
> Can you respond to this set of facts?
>
> The Israel Lobby vs. the Oil Lobby on Iran
>
> The Israel lobby wants America to attack Iran:
>
> [BEGIN QUOTE]
>
> http://billmon.org/archives/002627.html
>
> A number of wealthy pro-Israel donors, including Ronald Lauder,
> the perfume heir, have given millions to something called the
> Israel Project -- a "public education" cum PR cum grassroots
> lobbying machine -- to fund a program specifically aimed at
> building support for a military strike on Iran. You can't turn on
> Fox News these days without finding James Woolsey or Newt Gingrich
> or Bill Kristol or some other pro-Israel mouthpiece demanding war
> with Syria and/or Iran, and painting it as the only way to stop the
> rockets falling on Haifa.
>
> [END QUOTE]
>
> The Bush 41/oil lobby does NOT want America to attack Iran:
>
> [BEGIN QUOTE]
>
> http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2006/08/03/mideast/
>
> In the current Middle East crisis, once again, the elder Bush's
> wise men have stepped forward to offer unsolicited and unheeded
> advice. (In private they are scathing.) Edward Djerejian, a former
> ambassador to Israel and Syria and now the director of the James
> Baker Institute at Rice University, urged on July 23, on CNN,
> negotiations with Syria and Iran. "I come from the school of
> diplomacy that you negotiate conflict resolution and peace with
> your enemies and adversaries, not with your friends," he said.
> "We've done it in the past, we can do it again."
>
> [END QUOTE]
>
> Do you and Kris believe that you have better access to high-level
> insider government sources than Sidney Blumenthal? Do you question
> the integrity of Blumenthal or the accuracy of any of his facts in
> the Salon article?
>
> Note well: in no way am I attempting to defend any activities of
> the Bush dynasty throughout the decades. I am simply pointing out
> that there is a major split in the American power elite over
> Mideast politics between the realists and the neoradicals (neocons
> and neolibs).
>
>
> muckblit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sean wants to do away with the nazi dot inside neocon
> circle or
> roundtable, or "pied piper and patsy stand-off armor", as Kris and
> I are
> saying. It is easiest to make Antony Sutton the Lone Crazed Patsy
> Messenger, simply label-kill or ad hominem kill the messenger, Sutton,
> then ignore the message that World War Two has not ended if the fourth
> generation of Bush Warco is still on a roll.
>
> Noam Chomsky calls fourth generation Bush Warco "1930's militarized
> state capitalism". "1930's" may be a euphemism for Mussolini, but
> Mussolini and Hitler and Thyssen and Krupp are dead, and "1930's" is
> also a synonym for Samhain and Prescott Bush. Prescott managed
> Harriman,
> Whitney, Ford, Rockefeller, the whole east coast establishment's
> money,
> and "Brown", the British partners in the anglophile establishement's,
> money in the nazi war machine. Prescott managed twenty companies in
> the
> Auscwhitz death and labor camp, across the street from IG Farben,
> which
> had merged with Rockefeller's Standard Oil.
>
> People are calling them "war corporatists".
>
> People are saying "corporate welfare". You may have read about "king's
> charters", and the king is not going to regulate his scam, so
> environmentalists need to read McChesney to realize it's a war not a
> battle. All across the FM radio dial last night, all I could find were
> two shows, a baseball game and Dr. Drew. Essentially that means
> there is
> only one channel, Bread and Circuses, thanks to "king's charters" to
> UNREGULATED, infallible king's monopolies in media and everything
> else.
> You can't even have a union anymore. Unions are uppity, dis-
> respectful,
> when it's the king's charter, after all. Greg Palast points out that
> wages have gone down in Mexico and the US, supply and demand, as
> formerly US jobs are now divided among a larger pool, US and Mexican
> workers. Wall St Journal will tell you the opposite on the front page,
> but they can only find a percent of wage increase for the jobs that
> remain, not the better paying jobs that don't exist anymore to ruin
> their neolib propaganda, thanks to NAFTA and globalization.
>
> President Dwight D. Eisenhower called them "the military industrial
> complex", and his message was killed by scapegoating an anonymous,
> lone
> crazed hippy somewhere with inventing Eisenhower's expression.
> Label-kill the anonymous hippie, or ad hominem a person using
> Eisenhower's phrase by pointing his long hair or beard, and ignore
> Eisenhower's message throughout the 1960's and 1970's, ignoring the
> military-industrial elephant under the carpet for the duration of the
> Vietnam War.
>
> Sam Bush, Prescott Bush, George Herbert Walker, and Bernard Baruch
> made
> two hundred million non-adjusted dollars off of both sides in WW2. Sam
> and George took board room seats, Prescott the executive position, as
> Bush Warco maneuvered Adolf Hitler in the 1920's toward a position as
> dictator for what became Noam Chomsky's "1930's militarized state
> capitalism", which Chomsky associates with "failed states", not
> harbingers of prosperity politically or economically. Greg Palast,
> as an
> economist, dissects the victims of militarized state capitalism.
>
> We can't Sean persuade us to turn a blind eye to four continuous
> generations Bush Warco, World War Two Extended, Choicepoint, Diebold,
> Armitage, Goss, 911, Saudi-Houston-Baker document corresponding to
> nazi
> dot inside neocon circle which is PNAC document.
>
> Greg Palast put Mike Ruppert Peak Oil pundit out of business. Palast
> also puts Sean McBride under by exposing the nazi dot Baker
> Saudi-financed empire plan corresponding to neocon patsy roundtable's
> PNAC. One of Sean's main themes is that we can trust the
> dialectical dot
> to save us by Kissinger realism, daddy Bush crew's moderation. Better
> read Palast, Armed Madhouse, Palast is not so flattering to fossil
> flatulence. And know that PNAC is not the only plan, that it's just
> the
> patsy scapegoat plan.
>
> Case in point, you've heard of PNAC, but you haven't heard of the
> Saudi-Baker plan, have you? Dot in a circle, Sean wants you to see
> only
> the Likudnik PNAC dot. Dialectic, dot in a circle, look for it every
> time.
>
> -Bob
>
> --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "norgesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Re: [political-research] Re: chip berlet II
>>
>>
>> "He appears to be a hired gun for the powers that be."
>>
>>
>>
>> And you have never proved you are not.
>>
>>
>> "Sean McBride" is a false name you use to post disruptive posts on
> Internet forums. Your troll attacks people by name, becomes a major
> poster, challenging folks that dare to speak differently and then you
> posit binary discourses.
>>
>>
>> You always want to debate. As I posted from Wiki a debate is a
> rhetorical game used by demagogues, which you have never challenged.
>>
>>
>> Antony Sutton doesn't advance a "unified field theory for global
> politics or world history." If you had actually read his more than
> twenty books or had ever talked with the gentleman, you would know
> that.
> But because for your world-view to prevail you must denigrate Sutton.
> You do this by creating a strawman argument. Just like the one I am
> commented on right now. Your strawman argumenst are many and your
> other
> uses of subtle propaganda are also very telling. Why do you have to
> use
> all these lies and rhetorical tricks to make your points? Because you
> are a false meme "soldier" in the psychological warfare being waged
> against us hoi polloi by an elite that are in control of much and are
> grasping for more.
>>
>>
>> Another trick used in you small missive below is lumping Pat
>> Robertson
> and Antony Sutton together. They are very different personages, their
> philosophy and "rewards" for their parts in life's drama. Pat
> Robertson
> is not a Christian. He is a spook, like Berlet. He lays down false
> memes, helps run one of the main mind-control ops, fundy xtians,
> and is
> part of the whole end times drama game. Robertson ties to intel in his
> many African operations are well known. His finances have had there
> share of interesting episodes. The physical area and the social
> dynamics
> where he exerts his influence is very important to the elites. Virgina
> Beach/Norfolk area is the home to much intelligence and navel
> assets and
> power. The revelations of Kay Griggs about Robertson are concurrent
> with
> the known patterns of elite conspiratorial activities.
>>
>>
>> Antony Sutton had his "rice bowl broken" in the the early seventies,
> when he uncovered and refused all entreaties to not report on the fact
> that the Soviet war materials being used in Viet Nam against US
> soldiers
> were made possible by secret transfers of American technology to the
> USSR.
>>
>>
>> McBride, over and over, has set up the strawman that Sutton, myself
> and others have some rigid theory that says Bones/Yale rules the
> world.
> That is not true. Yes, both Sutton and I have found that by studying
> Bones and the secret society system, that is unique to Yale we can
> learn
> a lot about the ruling hegemony. And that we say that this hegemony is
> being maintained by conspiratorial actions that uses a network that
> includes these secret societies, foundations, corporations, the
> endowments, the oil industry, the drug industry, the world's banks,
> intelligence services, etc to accomplish their goal of a global
> control.
>>
>>
>> Sutton wrote books about Wall Street, about war and revolution, about
> monetary policy, about the Federal Reserve, about the Tri-Lateral
> Commission about the non-energy crisis, and more.
>>
>>
>> So as to not set up a strawman, and maybe you could actually answer a
> question that you have never answered. McBride, you have claimed that
> the power behind the cabal that you have stated is bringing about a
> national crisis that you are so concerned about, that you spend your
> time creating dissension on silly email lists, is the Forbes 50
> "Jewish"
> billionaires. Can you please enlighten us all the dynamics, the
> organizations used to foist the neo-cons upon us hoi polloi, that is
> independent and cohesive. I have asked several times for you to
> show me
> a cohesion between twenty or even ten of you Forbes billionaires.
> There
> are a myriad of cohesive conspiratorial conclaves and gatherings by
> the
> elite deviants that I ascribe a conspiracy too.
>>
>>
>> Yes, McBride, there is conspiracy.
>>
>>
>> And I want to expose and fight it.
>>
>>
>> The McBride trolls of the world just want to set up a controlled
> dialectic that divides us hoi polloi into unreconcilable camps.
>>
>>
>> MHO
>> Peace,
>> Om
>> K
>>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Sean McBride wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just to repeat the obvious once more: I am not Berlet, I do not
> know Berlet, I have never communicated with Berlet, and I disagree
> with
> most of Berlet's writings. Also, I have never conspired with anyone
> against Millegan in his lists. I confess to expressing some
> disagreements with some of Millegan's conspiracy theories, however
> -- in
> general I don't buy any kind of unified field theory for global
> politics
> or world history, whether advanced by Antony Sutton, Pat Robertson or
> anyone else.
>>
>> Wrt Berlet: I took a look at some more of his writings recently. He
> is infuriating on the subject of 9/11 -- the weakness and
> dishonesty of
> his apologetics on this issue is manifest. But some of his other
> writings on the intellectual history of Christianity are quite
> interesting. He's a solid researcher and he writes well. But don't
> expect any major revelations from him about what is really going on in
> the world. He appears to be a hired gun for the powers that be.
>>
>>
>>
>> foxhallgeorgetwn foxhallgeorgetwn@ wrote:
>>
>> Mr. McBride,
>> looks like I just got booted off ctrl. apparently, or sticking up
> for you! as a whole, I
>> seem to generally agree with the gist of your presentations, one
> reason why I don't
>> read your posts; preaching to the choir, as the saying goes. Now
> that kris millegan
>> has seen fit to include me in his paranoid conspiracy theory about
> your internet use,
>> well, I am tempted to fight back with some anti-millegan posts
> elsewhere. I don't
>> care if your name is chip berlet, which I doubt it is, millegan
> cannot prove his points,
>> he is substituting insubstantial conjecture for facts. That is the
> sign of an immature
>> thinker. chip berlet? well, if he was a great thinker, then I
> would be familiar with
>> him, I am unfamiliar with him, and to me that means he has nothing
> to address to
>> my personal quest. if you have anything to fill me in on about
> millegan, please feel
>> free. I am an individual and my work is my own responsibility, I
> am not part of an
>> organized 'troll conspiracy' as millegan implies.
>>
>> fox
>>
>
>
>
>
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> <DIV><FONT size=3>Bob,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></ > FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>You didn't reference a single
> fact of contemporary American politics in your post, and failed to
> respond to any particular piece of the mountain of evidence that
> has been posted here revealing strong opposition in the Bush 41
> camp, the CIA and the military establishment to the Iraq War and to
> the neocons' plans for wars against Iran, Syria and much of the
> rest of the Middle East.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></ > FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>I'm curious: do you have any
> direct personal experience with any of the institutions that
> you speculate about?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></ > FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Also, can you sum up in a few
> paragraphs the key points regarding relations between the Bush 41
> administration and Israel, making references to Israeli
> settlements, U.S. aid to Israel, James Baker, Yitzhak Shamir, the
> Israel lobby, neoconservatives,
> William Safire, Martin Peretz, the 1992 election, Victor Ostrovsky
> and related topics?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </ > DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Can you respond to this set of facts?</ > FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT > size=3>The Israel Lobby vs. the Oil Lobby on Iran</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>The Israel
> lobby wants America to attack Iran:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT > size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>[BEGIN QUOTE]</FONT></ > DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http:// > billmon.org/archives/002627.html"><FONT size=3>http://billmon.org/
> archives/002627.html</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></ > FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>A number of wealthy pro-Israel
> donors, including Ronald Lauder, the perfume heir, have given
> millions to something called the Israel Project -- a "public
> education" cum PR cum grassroots lobbying machine -- to fund a
> program specifically
> aimed at building support for a military strike on Iran. You can't
> turn on Fox News these days without finding James Woolsey or Newt
> Gingrich or Bill Kristol or some other pro-Israel mouthpiece
> demanding war with Syria and/or Iran, and painting it as the only
> way to stop the rockets falling on Haifa.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT > size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>[END QUOTE]</FONT></ > DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>The
> Bush 41/oil lobby does NOT want America to attack Iran:</FONT></ > DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>
> [BEGIN QUOTE]</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><A href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2006/08/03/ > mideast/"><FONT size=3>http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/
> 2006/08/03/mideast/</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></ > FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>In the current Middle East
> crisis, once again, the elder Bush's wise men have stepped forward
> to offer
> unsolicited and unheeded advice. (In private they are scathing.)
> Edward Djerejian, a former ambassador to Israel and Syria and now
> the director of the James Baker Institute at Rice University, urged
> on July 23, on CNN, negotiations with Syria and Iran. "I come from
> the school of diplomacy that you negotiate conflict resolution and
> peace with your enemies and adversaries, not with your friends," he
> said. "We've done it in the past, we can do it again."</FONT></ > DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>[END
> QUOTE]</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3>Do you and Kris believe that you have better
> access to high-level insider government sources than Sidney
> Blumenthal? Do you question the integrity of Blumenthal or
> the accuracy of any of his facts in the Salon article?</FONT></ > DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Note
> well: in no way am I attempting to defend any activities of the
> Bush dynasty
> throughout the decades. I am simply pointing out that there
> is a major split in the American power elite over Mideast politics
> between the realists and the neoradicals (neocons and
> neolibs).<BR></FONT><BR><BR><B><I>muckblit
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE > class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-
> LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><!-- Network content --> <DIV id=ygrp- > text> <DIV>Sean wants to do away with the nazi dot inside neocon
> circle or<BR>roundtable, or "pied piper and patsy stand-off armor",
> as Kris and I are<BR>saying. It is easiest to make Antony Sutton
> the Lone Crazed Patsy<BR>Messenger, simply label-kill or ad hominem
> kill the messenger,
> Sutton,<BR>then ignore the message that World War Two has not
> ended if the fourth<BR>generation of Bush Warco is still on a
> roll.<BR><BR>Noam Chomsky calls fourth generation Bush Warco
> "1930's militarized<BR>state capitalism". "1930's" may be a
> euphemism for Mussolini, but<BR>Mussolini and Hitler and Thyssen
> and Krupp are dead, and "1930's" is<BR>also a synonym for Samhain
> and Prescott Bush. Prescott managed Harriman,<BR>Whitney, Ford,
> Rockefeller, the whole east coast establishment'<WBR>s
> money,<BR>and "Brown", the British partners in the anglophile
> establishement'<WBR>s,<BR>money in the nazi war machine. Prescott
> managed twenty companies in the<BR>Auscwhitz death and labor camp,
> across the street from IG Farben, which<BR>had merged with
> Rockefeller'<WBR>s Standard Oil.<BR><BR>People are calling them
> "war corporatists"<WBR>.<BR><BR>People are saying "corporate
> welfare". You may have read about "king's<BR>charters", and the
> king is not going to regulate his scam,
> so<BR>environmentalists need to read McChesney to realize it's a
> war not a<BR>battle. All across the FM radio dial last night, all I
> could find were<BR>two shows, a baseball game and Dr. Drew.
> Essentially that means there is<BR>only one channel, Bread and
> Circuses, thanks to "king's charters" to<BR>UNREGULATED, infallible
> king's monopolies in media and everything else.<BR>You can't even
> have a union anymore. Unions are uppity, dis-respectful,<BR>when
> it's the king's charter, after all. Greg Palast points out
> that<BR>wages have gone down in Mexico and the US, supply and
> demand, as<BR>formerly US jobs are now divided among a larger pool,
> US and Mexican<BR>workers. Wall St Journal will tell you the
> opposite on the front page,<BR>but they can only find a percent of
> wage increase for the jobs that<BR>remain, not the better paying
> jobs that don't exist anymore to ruin<BR>their neolib propaganda,
> thanks to NAFTA and globalization.<BR><BR>President Dwight D.
> Eisenhower called them
> "the military industrial<BR>complex", and his message was killed
> by scapegoating an anonymous, lone<BR>crazed hippy somewhere with
> inventing Eisenhower's expression.<BR>Label-kill the anonymous
> hippie, or ad hominem a person using<BR>Eisenhower's phrase by
> pointing his long hair or beard, and ignore<BR>Eisenhower's message
> throughout the 1960's and 1970's, ignoring the<BR>military-
> industrial elephant under the carpet for the duration of
> the<BR>Vietnam War.<BR><BR>Sam Bush, Prescott Bush, George Herbert
> Walker, and Bernard Baruch made<BR>two hundred million non-adjusted
> dollars off of both sides in WW2. Sam<BR>and George took board room
> seats, Prescott the executive position, as<BR>Bush Warco maneuvered
> Adolf Hitler in the 1920's toward a position as<BR>dictator for
> what became Noam Chomsky's "1930's militarized
> state<BR>capitalism", which Chomsky associates with "failed
> states", not<BR>harbingers of prosperity politically or
> economically. Greg Palast, as an<BR>economist,
> dissects the victims of militarized state capitalism.<BR><BR>We
> can't Sean persuade us to turn a blind eye to four
> continuous<BR>generations Bush Warco, World War Two Extended,
> Choicepoint, Diebold,<BR>Armitage, Goss, 911, Saudi-Houston-
> <WBR>Baker document corresponding to nazi<BR>dot inside neocon
> circle which is PNAC document.<BR><BR>Greg Palast put Mike Ruppert
> Peak Oil pundit out of business. Palast<BR>also puts Sean McBride
> under by exposing the nazi dot Baker<BR>Saudi-financed empire plan
> corresponding to neocon patsy roundtable's<BR>PNAC. One of Sean's
> main themes is that we can trust the dialectical dot<BR>to save us
> by Kissinger realism, daddy Bush crew's moderation. Better<BR>read
> Palast, Armed Madhouse, Palast is not so flattering to
> fossil<BR>flatulence. And know that PNAC is not the only plan, that
> it's just the<BR>patsy scapegoat plan.<BR><BR>Case in point, you've
> heard of PNAC, but you haven't heard of the<BR>Saudi-Baker plan,
> have you? Dot in a circle, Sean
> wants you to see only<BR>the Likudnik PNAC dot. Dialectic, dot in
> a circle, look for it every<BR>time.<BR><BR>-Bob<BR><BR>--- In <A > href="mailto:cia-drugs%40yahoogroups.com">cia-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<WBR>ps.com</A>, "norgesen"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<WBR>.> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Re: [political-
> research<WBR>] Re: chip berlet II<BR>><BR>><BR>> "He
> appears to be a hired gun for the powers that
> be."<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> And you have never proved you
> are not.<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Sean McBride" is a false name you
> use to post disruptive posts on<BR>Internet forums. Your troll
> attacks people by name, becomes a major<BR>poster, challenging
> folks that dare to speak differently and then you<BR>posit binary
> discourses.<BR>><BR>><BR>> You always want to debate. As I
> posted from Wiki a debate is a<BR>rhetorical game used by
> demagogues, which you have never
> challenged.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Antony Sutton doesn't advance a
> "unified field theory for
> global<BR>politics or world history." If you had actually read his
> more than<BR>twenty books or had ever talked with the gentleman,
> you would know that.<BR>But because for your world-view to prevail
> you must denigrate Sutton.<BR>You do this by creating a strawman
> argument. Just like the one I am<BR>commented on right now. Your
> strawman argumenst are many and your other<BR>uses of subtle
> propaganda are also very telling. Why do you have to use<BR>all
> these lies and rhetorical tricks to make your points? Because
> you<BR>are a false meme "soldier" in the psychological warfare
> being waged<BR>against us hoi polloi by an elite that are in
> control of much and are<BR>grasping for
> more.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Another trick used in you small
> missive below is lumping Pat Robertson<BR>and Antony Sutton
> together. They are very different personages, their<BR>philosophy
> and "rewards" for their parts in life's drama. Pat Robertson<BR>is
> not a Christian. He is a spook, like Berlet. He lays
> down false<BR>memes, helps run one of the main mind-control ops,
> fundy xtians, and is<BR>part of the whole end times drama game.
> Robertson ties to intel in his<BR>many African operations are well
> known. His finances have had there<BR>share of interesting
> episodes. The physical area and the social dynamics<BR>where he
> exerts his influence is very important to the elites.
> Virgina<BR>Beach/Norfolk area is the home to much intelligence and
> navel assets and<BR>power. The revelations of Kay Griggs about
> Robertson are concurrent with<BR>the known patterns of elite
> conspiratorial activities.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Antony Sutton
> had his "rice bowl broken" in the the early seventies,<BR>when he
> uncovered and refused all entreaties to not report on the
> fact<BR>that the Soviet war materials being used in Viet Nam
> against US soldiers<BR>were made possible by secret transfers of
> American technology to the<BR>USSR.<BR>><BR>><BR>>
> McBride, over and over, has set up the strawman
> that Sutton, myself<BR>and others have some rigid theory that says
> Bones/Yale rules the world.<BR>That is not true. Yes, both Sutton
> and I have found that by studying<BR>Bones and the secret society
> system, that is unique to Yale we can learn<BR>a lot about the
> ruling hegemony. And that we say that this hegemony is<BR>being
> maintained by conspiratorial actions that uses a network
> that<BR>includes these secret societies, foundations, corporations,
> the<BR>endowments, the oil industry, the drug industry, the world's
> banks,<BR>intelligence services, etc to accomplish their goal of a
> global control.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Sutton wrote books about
> Wall Street, about war and revolution, about<BR>monetary policy,
> about the Federal Reserve, about the Tri-Lateral<BR>Commission
> about the non-energy crisis, and more.<BR>><BR>><BR>> So
> as to not set up a strawman, and maybe you could actually answer
> a<BR>question that you have never answered. McBride, you have claimed
> that<BR>the power behind the cabal that you have stated is
> bringing about a<BR>national crisis that you are so concerned
> about, that you spend your<BR>time creating dissension on silly
> email lists, is the Forbes 50 "Jewish"<BR>billionaires. Can you
> please enlighten us all the dynamics, the<BR>organizations used to
> foist the neo-cons upon us hoi polloi, that is<BR>independent and
> cohesive. I have asked several times for you to show me<BR>a
> cohesion between twenty or even ten of you Forbes billionaires.
> There<BR>are a myriad of cohesive conspiratorial conclaves and
> gatherings by the<BR>elite deviants that I ascribe a conspiracy
> too.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Yes, McBride, there is
> conspiracy.<BR>><BR>><BR>> And I want to expose and fight
> it.<BR>><BR>><BR>> The McBride trolls of the world just
> want to set up a controlled<BR>dialectic that divides us hoi polloi
> into unreconcilable camps.<BR>><BR>><BR>> MHO<BR>>
> Peace,<BR>> Om<BR>>
> K<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Sean McBride
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> Just to repeat the obvious once
> more: I am not Berlet, I do not<BR>know Berlet, I have never
> communicated with Berlet, and I disagree with<BR>most of Berlet's
> writings. Also, I have never conspired with anyone<BR>against
> Millegan in his lists. I confess to expressing
> some<BR>disagreements with some of Millegan's conspiracy theories,
> however -- in<BR>general I don't buy any kind of unified field
> theory for global politics<BR>or world history, whether advanced by
> Antony Sutton, Pat Robertson or<BR>anyone else.<BR>><BR>> Wrt
> Berlet: I took a look at some more of his writings recently.
> He<BR>is infuriating on the subject of 9/11 -- the weakness and
> dishonesty of<BR>his apologetics on this issue is manifest. But
> some of his other<BR>writings on the intellectual history of
> Christianity are quite<BR>interesting. He's a solid researcher and
> he writes well. But don't<BR>expect
> any major revelations from him about what is really going on
> in<BR>the world. He appears to be a hired gun for the powers that
> be.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> foxhallgeorgetwn
> foxhallgeorgetwn@ wrote:<BR>><BR>> Mr. McBride,<BR>> looks
> like I just got booted off ctrl. apparently, or sticking up<BR>for
> you! as a whole, I<BR>> seem to generally agree with the gist of
> your presentations, one<BR>reason why I don't<BR>> read your
> posts; preaching to the choir, as the saying goes. Now<BR>that kris
> millegan<BR>> has seen fit to include me in his paranoid
> conspiracy theory about<BR>your internet use,<BR>> well, I am
> tempted to fight back with some anti-millegan posts<BR>elsewhere. I
> don't<BR>> care if your name is chip berlet, which I doubt it
> is, millegan<BR>cannot prove his points,<BR>> he is substituting
> insubstantial conjecture for facts. That is the<BR>sign of an
> immature<BR>> thinker. chip berlet? well, if he was a great
> thinker, then
> I<BR>would be familiar with<BR>> him, I am unfamiliar with him,
> and to me that means he has nothing<BR>to address to<BR>> my
> personal quest. if you have anything to fill me in on
> about<BR>millegan, please feel<BR>> free. I am an individual and
> my work is my own responsibility, I<BR>am not part of an<BR>>
> organized 'troll conspiracy' as millegan implies.<BR>><BR>>
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