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Very nicely put Teo 1000.
J2
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Teo One Thousand wrote:
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> -Caveat Lector-
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> In a message dated 6/1/99 3:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> > There's plenty of FACTS to back the existence of Jesus. Research. It's a
> > good thing. As for the faith part, whether you believe in God or the
> > mathematical impossibility that we just all of the sudden came into
> > existence, they both take a matter of faith as we weren't there to observe
> > either, one however requires a bit more.
> >
> > Jamie
> >
>
> Well, well. This issue comes up quite often in this forum. It seems to me
> that origins of modern religious groups is certainly a matter for discussion
> here on the Conspiracy List. I would like to take this opportunity to
> caution everyone that proselytizing is not acceptable here. So take
> everything with a grain of salt and let's not let tempers flare. Having said
> that I have a couple of comments.
> First, ALL religions REQUIRE faith. There is no way around it. There simply
> is not enough evidence for it to be established as historical fact. Take
> Jesus for instance. There are many scholars who have done extensive research
> who conclude that he is a myth. Others disagree. I tend to think that there
> was a man who, at least loosely, fit the description for the person we know
> as Jesus Christ. As for his divinity, his claim (or that of those who
> followed him?) to be THE son of God, and all of the other trappings that
> surround his life it ALL requires faith. I would never try to dissuade
> anyone from a position of faith as it is a losing battle. There is always a
> fall back position, or recalcitrance. That is what makes this subject so
> difficult to deal with objectively. Judaism, and Islam fare no better.
> Though there seems to be no disagreement as to whether Mohammed lived, as for
> what he did and his claims to a special relationship with Allah, that again
> is a matter of faith.
> In discussing religion it is difficult to do so without our reason being
> affected by the foundations of our beliefs and our faith. Should someone
> earnestly believe that Jesus lives in them and they thereby have everlasting
> life, and they have peace of mind and are happy then more power to them!
> Whatever spirituality you wish to have, or none at all, is acceptable and
> should be acknowledged as such. You don't have to believe it but allow
> others to share their views.
> As for Christianity and Jesus I believe that much of what we have today is a
> construct that was derived from Paul and others mostly long after Jesus
> disappeared from the scene. It incorporates some mythology, some mystery
> religion, and some Judaism. Religion, and especially Christianity, due to
> it's hold on the west's spirituality, is a control mechanism in every sense
> of the word. Meant to control ones actions in some fashion. For some it is
> a way of life that is acceptable because it is in tune with their own inner
> thoughts and desires. For others it is abhorrent, serving only to try and
> diminish ones own personal feelings.
> Remember religious discussion should be done in such a way that we do not
> attack faith and belief but should present arguments that support the
> position you take, whether for or against. And remember we are a conspiracy
> list so this should have some bearing on the discussion.
> Religion IS a conspiracy in every sense of the word. It's as true now as it
> has ever been.
> Teo1000
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