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According to Webster G. Tarpley (what a wonderful WASP name!), Luther was
a puppet of Venetian financial interests interested in destroying the
power of Rome. Protected by the German princes, Luther's ideas would be
taken further by the reformers, but once some of the more savvy
theologians realized the true revolutionary potential of the
Christian message, (I'm thinking of Thomas Muntzer--leader of the
Peasant's Revolt), Luther began condemning his contemporary rival
"reformers."
After all, with just a little shift in emphasis, if the power of the
Church can be questioned, why not question the power of civil authority as
well. Fearing that things had gotten out of hand, Luther condemned anyone
who would challenge the authority of the princes to rule over the people.
God had ordained the social order. If the princes were corrupt, well,
the injustices that they visit on the poor are a judgment on the poor for
their many sins. Stated differently, if you don't like your ruler, tough!
Let God chastize the rulers....peasants should shut up and go back to
work.
Thomas Muntzer, once a follower of Luther, saw things differently. He
argued that if the princes were corrupt, they should be removed. Well,
Muntzer was hunted down....tortured and executed. His wife was handed
over to a German lord to be raped. And, in what must be one of the less
sterling chapters in German history, Muntzer's followers, many of whom
were women and children, were hunted down and slaughtered by the armies of
the princes.
Needless to say, Muntzer's name is still anathema in the Lutheran Church
today. ...His "leveling ideas" still scare the hell out of the powers that
be.
On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Colleen Jones wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Martin Luther divided the Church....he causes wars and more wars....his
> red roses turned many a white rose red with blood.
>
> England has always been the Mother Land; and Germany, the
> Fatherland....the royal families intermarried - and now they are to
> reunited....the marriage of the lily and the rose....
>
> Its about time because, in America how anyone can call Pat Robertson,
> Jimmy Swaggart, Tammy Bakker, and the lot Christians, or even
> Protestants, or whatever they think they all are....are they what
> religion is all about - self-serving greedy bastards who beg from the
> poor in the Churches name to line their own pockets?
>
> Me, give me a real religion - Catholic, Jewish, Protestant, or
> Moslem....so long as it is real and stands for something other than
> greed....The Church like government is to serve.
>
> At least that is what I think.....but my memory seems not as good as it
> once was.
>
> Colleen
>
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