-Caveat Lector-
Urgent what? That there is a coming ground war? This did not go through in 93
because of
German Secret Service. Now, all the pieces are in place. You seem to be like someone
in a
theatre excitedly saying, 'look what is happening next..." Of course it is. And if
one ruse
does not work another will.
The 'great game' is an old game. You can curtail this by understanding how it
works at the
top, not just being an upset observer. Back in 93 General Odom, head of NSA called
for such a
large amount of divisions that if I posted it here it would probably not be believed.
It was
printed in the Boston Globe.
I am on this board because the weakest link in this old conspiracy is flight 800.
The
atomic bomb changed the rules. Secret agreements had to be made concerning the non
use of
them. They were brokered by my Father's boss, Henry Luce. China took down flight 800
because
of a double cross within those agreements. When enough people see how the conspiracy
works at
the very top, it will dismantle itself.
Michael Donovan
Norfolk, Virginia
nurev wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> PLEASE PASS THIS INFO TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN.
> As usual, CAVEAT LECTOR ( reader beware ) we are dealing
> with war propaganda from all sides. -- Joshua2
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date:
> Sun, 16 May 1999 13:47:18 +0200 (MET DST)
> From:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rolf Martens)
> To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Activist Mailing List - http://get.to/activist
>
> Fwd: Another warning re US-Yug, with new details
> [Fwd: 16.05.99]
>
> I'm forwarding to newsgroups and to some mail addresses the fol-
> lowing, which I've received just now. It supplements another
> warning in the same direction sent and forwarded on 13.05. -RM
>
> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 06:59:49 +0200
> From: democrite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Editions =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E9mocrite?=
> X-Accept-Language: fr,el,ru,es,af
> Subject: [Fwd: Warning !!!]
>
> ...........
>
> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:49:08 +0200
> From: World Act Now <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> X-Accept-Language: en
> To: ..........
> Subject: Warning !!!
>
> Alarming scenario:
>
> We have here all kind of nationalities so warning is in
> serbian....inform everybody you know about this...esp. any
> diplomatic and similar relations You have !!!
>
> So God Help You
>
> [Text in English follows after that in Serbian. - RM]
>
> Ovo je danas stiglo (iz Hrvatske) i ako imate mogucnosti da
> prosledite nekom novinaru da se pripremi javnost na to. Sve
> govori da se pripremaju za kopnenu invaziju.
>
> DT
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Subject: citaj,
> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:34:24 -0500
>
> Sve je spremno, Markale II - Pitanje dana !!!
>
> Unatrag dva tjedna se na vise web stranica pojavila vijest da
> NATO priprema scenario slican onome na sarajevskoj pijaci
> Markale koji bi im trebao posluziti za animiranje javnosti za
> upotrebu kopnenih snaga. Do danas nisam bila uvjerena da je to
> tocno ali sam imala krivo.
> snip> Serbian text.
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~roman1/warningblackoperations.htm
>
> Black operations: Markale market "massacre" the sequel
>
> We have been notified from our unofficial sources (rather
> reliable, so far) that a sequel to Sarajevo Markale market
> "massacre" is in preparation. NATO countries' public has
> been reluctant to accept the ground troops deployment. The air
> raids are not yielding any tangible results. The war can not be
> won from air alone, and for escalating the air strike to full
> deployment of ground troops a REALLY good cause is needed.
>
> Similar ideas have been toyed with for quite a while. There were
> rumours of "something" going on, some unspecified preparations
> being carried out, but no more details given, leaving everything
> in the realm of the usual propaganda and counter-propaganda of
> both sides.
>
> But latest information we gathered have more disturbing details, adding
> considerable weight to the rumours:
>
> "Reportedly a group of American and German pilots are training
> for some time now on Yugoslav made Croatian Air Force planes
> "galeb" and "jastreb".
>
> The planes will be painted in the FRY Air Force colours and
> insignia and used for bombing the ethnic Albanian refugee camps
> in Albania. That would be the "just" cause for ground troops
> intervention. Additional facts that support this scenario are:
>
> 1. For days NATO has intensified the relocation of refugees from
> the border regions of Albania and Macedonia further inland.
>
> 2. The arrival of NATO aeroplanes into Albania and Skopje is not
> covered by tv reports as before (business associate in
> Macedonia confirmed that the number of transport aeroplanes
> arriving to Skopje has significantly increased).
>
> 3. Christian Amanpour has arrived to Albania. "
>
> Our comment:
>
> It is unclear whether Croatian AF has any of the "galeb" or
> "jastreb" Yugoslav made planes. It is our guess that all of them
> were evacuated to Yugoslavia in 1991. But, it would be easy to
> obtain these planes from some of the African countries, that
> have purchased them when they were very popular as reliable,
> low-budget jet planes. We know that several private collectors
> from USA have purchased some of these planes from the Air Force
> Museum in Belgrade. So, we can conclude that there are quite a
> few of these planes outside FR Yugoslavia, and that they can be
> used as described.
>
> Furthermore, according to the stipulations of the June 14th 1996
> Agreement on Sub Regional Arms Control signed in Florence,
> Italy, FR Yugoslavia has decided to get rid of all "galeb" and
> "jastreb" planes, leaving in service only "Super galeb G4" and
> "Orao" planes, plus MiG-21 and MiG-29. So, even if an attack on
> refugee camps would be executed with "galeb" or "jastreb"
> planes, that could hardly be attributed to FR Yugoslavia Air
> Force.
>
> The movement of refugees further away from the border is a sure
> sign that there is no expectation of peaceful settlement soon,
> and that border area has to be cleared and secured for advancing
> troops.
>
> Increase in NATO transport flights to Skopje can be explained
> in various ways, mainly by increase in refugee relief supplies
> shipments. Keeping these flights out of the public focus can
> mean only one thing - they are bringing everything needed for
> ground invasion of Yugoslavia.
>
> But the fact that preparations are under way for such a long
> period of time, could undermine the igniting effect of yet
> another "massacre".
>
> And to conclude, if all other data is missing, watch for
> Amanpour trail - she is literally the "source" of news. Her
> timely appearance on each and every occasion where a biased and
> hysteric media coverage is needed to justify extreme measures
> against a side that Amanpour (a long time proponent of biased
> journalism) labels as "bad guys", is probably the most
> significant indication of future actions.
>
> We will keep You posted with new details on this topic as they
> become available.
>
> Vojislav Rodic, War Against Yugoslavia @ www.inet.co.yu
>
> May 13, 1999.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> World Act Now
> Amsterdam, The Netherlands
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~roman1
>
> [So far the forwarded message]
>
> --------------------------
> 5/16/99
>
> Michael Donovan wrote:
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Correct. The huge gray dock landing ships, their mantis-like aft docks furled,
> > now sit steel upon the Chesapeake. An 'unusual' amount of small landing craft, of
> > the Private Ryan type, both infantry and armor, are being loaded at the Amphib
> > base. The sixteen thousand mentioned is near division strength. Safire calls for
> > three armored divisions. No general in his right mind would place three armored
> > divisions there without the very least of one infantry division each for
> > protection. Six times 20,000 is a 120,000 ground force. It will build gradually
> > of course.
> > Michael
> > Norfolk, Virginia
> >
> > nurev wrote:
> >
> > > -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > 5/15/99
> > >
> > > Sixteen thousand marines and a contingent of British special forces are
> > > preparing to go to Kosovo. Is this the beginning of the ground war? It
> > > appears that we shall soon find out.
> > >
> > > Joshua2
> > > =========================================================================
> > >
> > > Subject:
> > > [CTRL] [Fwd: Fwd: A warning on US intentions re Yugoslavia]
> > > Date:
> > > Thu, 13 May 1999 21:43:36 -0700
> > > From:
> > > nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > Organization:
> > > Nurev Independent Research
> > > To:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > 5/13/99
> > >
> > > I don't know how to take this post. I know that troops are being prepared
> > > for invasion. 16,000 marines, the shock troops of Transnational
> > > business interests are going in according to MSNBC.
> > >
> > > Normally I wouldn't distribute something like this as fact, but if true
> > > we can bear witness to a crime against humanity. Please distribute
> > > with this disclaimer. Let's hope it's wrong.
> > >
> > > Joshua2
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Fwd: A warning on US intentions re Yugoslavia
> > > Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:54:36 +0200 (MET DST)
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rolf Martens)
> > > snip>
> > > Fwd: A warning on US intentions re Yugoslavia
> > > [Posted: 13.05.99 (GMT)]
> > >
> > > I'm forwarding to newsgroups and to some mail addresses the fol-
> > > lowing, which I've received just now. - RM.
> > >
> > > Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:34:00 +0200
> > > From: democrite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Organization: Editions =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E9mocrite?=
> > > X-Accept-Language: fr,el,ru,es,af
> > > Subject: Warning
> > >
> > > Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:30:01 +0200
> > > From: Marijana Glisic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > This is a warning. There is a possibility that NATO is preparing
> > > a staged massacre of Albanian refugees to get the excuse to at-
> > > tack Yugoslavia from all sides and in that way defy the decisions
> > > made by the US Congress. We could witness new Markale.
> > >
> > > There are indications that NATO is preparing the ground offensive
> > > on Yugoslavia as a whole and not only on Kosovo. According to the
> > > information received from Macedonia and Albania all the Albanian
> > > refugees are evacuating from the border areas and are being re-
> > > placed with NATO troops.
> > >
> > > Romania, Croatia, Hungary, Bulgaria Bosnia, Macedonia and Albania
> > > were all forced to sign the documents allowing the NATO troops to
> > > launch the ground attack from their territories. CNN has sent
> > > three full crews to Albania equipped with satellite broadcasting
> > > equipment. Knowing their reputation they always get sent to the
> > > crisis area "before" anything starts so that they can prepare for
> > > the coverage of the "unexpected" event. There are also indica-
> > > tions that NATO is preparing to arrange a false "massacre of the
> > > innocent Albanian refugees" that will be used as a excuse for the
> > > attack.
> > >
> > > Our sources say that it will be probably done as a bombing of a
> > > refugee camp in Albania or Macedonia.
> > >
> > > [So far the forwarded message]
> > >
> > > Rolf M.
> > > =========================================================================
> > >
> > > Subject:
> > > Re: RAF sent to Corsica, Paras & Gurkhas to the Balkans
> > > Date:
> > > Sat, 15 May 1999 19:12:33 -0400
> > > From:
> > > "W. Kiernan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Reply-To:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > snip>
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted Yahoo News:
> > > >
> > > > ...The Government has ordered some of Britain's elite fighting
> > > > troops to prepare to go into Kosovo as Nato suggested the latest
> > > > civilian casualties in the province could have been victims of a
> > > > Serb "human shield" operation...The announcement came as Nato has
> > > > admitted that it attacked the Kosovo village of Korisa where the
> > > > Serbs claim at least 79 ethnic Albanian refugees died.
> > > >
> > > > But alliance spokesman Jamie Shea insisted they had hit a legitimate
> > > > military target and hinted the ethnic Albanians could have been
> > > > ordered into a troop area by the Serbs...
> > >
> > > and also off BBC News, who never ever lie:
> > > >
> > > > In the developing row over the Nato attack on a Kosovo village, the
> > > > United States has accused the Serbs of using ethnic Albanians as
> > > > so-called "human shields".
> > > >
> > > > The latest Yugoslav news agency figures say 81 civilians were killed
> > > > in Thursday's overnight bombing of the village of Korisa.
> > > >
> > > > US Pentagon Spokesman Ken Bacon said the Serbs "had to have known"
> > > > the building which the Kosovo Albanians slept next to was a military
> > > > target because NATO had hit many similar installations over the last
> > > > seven weeks.
> > > >
> > > > "It certainly looks like this was arranged to make them human shields
> > > > but we cannot confirm this," he said.
> > > >
> > > > Yugoslav Foreign Ministry spokesman Milisav Paic has dismissed this
> > > > suggestion as "crazy".
> > > >
> > > > "There is no doubt it was NATO who carried out the raids against
> > > > civilians and they cannot just simply try to get rid of any
> > > > responsibility," he told the BBC...
> > >
> > > The Hell they can't, just listen to them! Which brings us back to that
> > > classic analysis of Cold War doctrine, "Dr. Strangelove." You recall
> > > the scene down in the War Room when the Russian Ambassador explained
> > > about the Soviet's computer-triggered Doomsday bomb, charged up with
> > > enough radioactive thorium-cobalt-G to exterminate everything above the
> > > lowest galleries of the deepest mines if any U.S. bombs went off over
> > > the Soviet Union. And you rememeber where Dr. Kissinger shouts, "If you
> > > have this Doomsday weapon, WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ANYONE ABOUT IT???"
> > >
> > > Suppose I am the fiendish Dr. Evil, nee Milosevic, and I am heartlessly
> > > using those poor innocent Albanian civilians as "human shields." Tell
> > > me, what good will it do me, in what way will those civilians serve as
> > > "shields," when NATO does not know they are down there being used for
> > > this purpose?
> > >
> > > I guess the idea is that if a powerful country decides to bomb the Hell
> > > out of another country with one one-hundredth the military capacity, and
> > > the leaders of that weaker country neglects to surrender unconditionally
> > > at the first blow, then it's the leaders of the invaded country, rather
> > > than the leaders of the attacking country, who are the ones responsible
> > > for the civilians who get butchered in the bombardment. This is similar
> > > to the way Wilhelm II fixed war guilt on the Belgians in 1914.
> > >
> > > Jesus, those propaganda bastards didn't lie this hard even during the
> > > Vietnam War!
> > >
> > > Yours WDK - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > ===========================================================================
> > >
> > > " It looks like the BIG ONE Elizabeth!" -- Fred Sanford
> > >
> > > stay tuned.... Joshua2
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> It looks like ground war.
> Date:
> Sun, 16 May 1999 10:13:02 -0700
> From:
> nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization:
> Nurev Independent Research
> To:
> Activist List Mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Dr Costas Giannakenas MD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC:
> CTRL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Pnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Ron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> 5/16/97
>
> Dear Costas,
>
> It seems like they are moving towards a ground war. I thought you
> should know.
>
> I am very sorry for the behavior of my government, and the ignorance
> and apathy of the American people. The best I can say is, I knew what
> Clinton was and did not vote for him.
>
> Joshua2
> ----------------
>
> Subject:
> [CTRL] (Fwd) Re: [CTRL] Is this the beginning of the ground
> war?
> Date:
> Sun, 16 May 1999 02:29:48 -0800
> From:
> "Theodor Parada, MD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Yesterday I had the opportunity of meeting a good old merchant marine
> who
> is in the process of leaving from SF, to work transporting "thousands"
> of
> Humvee vehicles to you guessed it, Klintoon's war!!
> =========
> Theodor S.Parada, MD
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> PGP Key ID 0x537C4815
> ------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Yugoslavs Charge NATO Jet Insignia Deception And Ploy
> Date:
> 16 May 1999 13:11:53 -0000
> From:
> Activist Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Yugoslavs Charge NATO Jet Insignia Deception And Ploy 5-15-99
>
> Note - This email adds to the theory that there may be some type of
> event, or series of human rights abuses and events, staged just prior
> to NATO declaring the need for a ground invasion of Yugoslavia. We
> cannot verify the material in this report but post it as in indicator
> of the type of information now coming from Yugoslavia. Use discretion
> when reading this and stories from ALL sides in this conflict.
>
> >From Belgrade Academic Association for Equal Rights in the World
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5-15-99
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> We are writing You this letter because media blockade that western
> governments applied on our country will prevent You from knowing about
> the terrible massacre that yesterday took place on Kosovo and
> Metohija. NATO found new way in "preventing" the humanitarian
> catastrophe caused by their bombs, on 14.05.1999 NATO airplanes for
> the second time bombed the Albanian refugee convoy which was moving
> from the Macedonian border back to inner Kosovo. People who were going
> back to their homes were brutally bombed with cluster bombs. More than
> 100 people were killed in this incident, bodies burned beyond
> recognition were scattered around village of Korisa where this crime
> took place. Eyewitnesses said to television that they were just
> beginning to sort their life to normal and were happy to return to
> their houses when hell from sky fall upon their heads.
>
> In relation with this tragic story we would like to inform You about a
> rather disturbing e-mail from Croatia. A women from Croatia
> eye-witnessed that for the last few days NATO pilots are practicing on
> Croatia,s "Galeb" and "Jastreb" airplanes. These are the jets that
> stayed in military arsenal of Croatia after braking of former
> Yugoslavia. Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has jets of same type in
> their arsenal. The aim of this operation is bombing of refugee camps
> in Albania and Macedonia. NATO's idea is to paint the planes in FRY
> Air Force colors and insignia, bomb the refugee camps and blame the
> Serbian side for that. The purpose of this plan is to get a REALLY
> good reason for the ground troops operation and to get public opinion
> in favor of such operation. Several facts confirm this information: 1.
> For days NATO has intensified the relocation of refugees from the
> border regions of Albania and Macedonia further inland.2. The arrival
> of NATO airplanes into Albania and Skopje is not covered by TV reports
> as before (business associate in Macedonia confirmed that the number
> of transport aeroplanes arriving to Skopje has significantly
> increased).3. Christian Amanpour (CNN) has arrived to Albania. Besides
> Croatia Air Force there are few sources from which these types of
> planes could be available. It is well known that several collectors
> from USA bought these planes from the Air Force Museum in Belgrade.
> Some of the African countries had these planes in their arsenal
> because they were very reliable and relatively cheap types of plane.
>
> This kind of scenario was already seen in Bosnia. In august 1995
> somebody shelled biggest market place in Sarajevo called Markale.
> There were more than 70 Muslim civilians dead. CNN led by Christian
> Amanpour and other western media immediately accused Serbian side for
> this massacre. Not for a long time after this NATO bombed Bosnian
> Serbs. A year after that when the war in Bosnia was over Muslim
> government in Sarajevo admitted that they were responsible for this
> crime and that they did it in alliance with western media. They killed
> their own people in order to give NATO justification for action
> against Bosnian Serbs.
>
> We would like to apologize You for any inconvenience this e-mail might
> caused You, but media blockade of our country led us to this desperate
> step in order to help our people and our country who were satanized by
> that same media. Please visit web-site
> <http://www.aic.org.yu/www.aic.org.yu for recent news and photos from
> Yugoslavia and our site <http://www.barw.org.yu/www.barw.org.yu for
> history and other scientific topics related to Kosovo and Metohija.
>
> Also please send Your comments and questions to
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@barw.org.yu.
>
> Sincerely Yours,
>
> Belgrade Academic Association for Equal Rights in the World
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://www.yahoo.co.uk/headlines/19990515/news/926789300-1-1.html
> Saturday May 15, 6:28 PM GMT
>
> Elite Troops Put On Stand-By For Kosovo
>
> The Government has ordered some of Britain's elite fighting troops to prepare
> to go into Kosovo as Nato suggested the latest civilian casualties in the
> province could have been victims of a Serb "human shield" operation.
>
> Armed Forces Minister Doug Henderson told the daily Ministry of Defence press
> briefing that an extra 2,300 infantry, gunners and engineers were being put
> on stand-by to reinforce the troops already in the Balkans.
>
> They include 679 soldiers from the Parachute Regiment based at Aldershot and
> another 680 troops from the Royal Gurkhas.
>
> Mr Henderson said: "Can I make it clear that no decision has yet been made to
> deploy these forces. It is prudent planning for the successful end of the air
> campaign."
>
> He also announced RAF Tornados operating from RAF Bruggen in Germany were
> being "forward deployed" to a new base on the island of Corsica to put them
> within easier reach of their targets.
>
> The announcement came as Nato has admitted that it attacked the Kosovo
> village of Korisa where the Serbs claim at least 79 ethnic Albanian refugees
> died.
>
> But alliance spokesman Jamie Shea insisted they had hit a legitimate military
> target and hinted the ethnic Albanians could have been ordered into a troop
> area by the Serbs.
>
> "We have conducted an extremely extensive review of this incident," Mr Shea
> said.
>
> "We know very well this was a legitimate military target, the pilot also
> observed dug-in military positions at the target before executing the attack."
>
> Mr Shea also said there were reports of soldiers being among the casualties
> and warned commentators to be "cautious" when dealing with Serb claims about
> the casualties.
> ---------------------
>
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