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From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> The Dalai Lama is accurate about capitalism and Marxism...
> don't know about the 60's book that you cite...
Unfortunately, although Marxism may be *based* on "moral
precepts", it apparently can't be *implemented* morally.
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SM:
Please define "moral implementation."
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The mark of any system is, does it work - if so, and if
it works such that its participants benefit, it may be
adjudged to be 'moral'. If it *doesn't* work, it don't
matter diddly-squat what its moral attributes may be -
it's dead. And if the participants *don't* benefit, it
can hardly be considered 'moral'.
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SM:
That is obvious. I hope you are not making the case that marxism as an
experiment has been conducted already without serious and deliberate
monkeywrenching from capitalist powers. It's simply not true.
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And a socio-economic-political system needs to map-onto
the reality of human behavior & desire.
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SM:
Human behavior has been observed to change according to will. If it is
one's will to function as part of a whole and one is aware of how to do so
then it will be so and the resulting society will be a summation of all of
its parts [barring deliberate monkeywrenching from capitalist power brokers
and that percentage of the sheep that fear ANYTHING different] and this is
the ideaology that drives most socialistic thinking. A truly representative
and fair social system is NEVER going to be a result of some ideaology laid
down on the people, no matter how carefully someone has designed this
ideaology to "map-onto the reality of human behavior & desire." A highly
functional social system CAN RESULT from the collection of human behavior
PROVIDED that people have the understanding of how to relate to each other
on an equality oriented basis and understand the necessity for doing so.
If the truth can be told so that it is understood, it will be believed.
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People are both
competitive and cooperative, qualities that are readily
apparent in capitalism
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SM:
Parakeet dung! Do we live in the same country? There is vastly more
competetiveness in our market economy than cooperation.
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- but Marxism depends too much upon
cooperation, forced if necessary.
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SM:
Please cite Marx's statement that forced unity is possible.
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However 'moral' Marx's
intent may have been, most people just ain't gonna live
communally unless they're forced to.
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SM:
fact: the only people living communally are doing so because they want to.
fact:
there are more people living communally all the time [the 90's has seen a
boom of communal living in the United States that exceeds that of the 60's -
see www.ic.org]
Without constant media yammering about the hero who stands alone or the
rugged individual - we would still be SOCIAL creatures just wanting to get
along. Unfortunately, though, we have glorified alienation.
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