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From: "M.A. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MJ:
Capitalism has NEVER existed.
Please explain how forcibly taking from SOME and giving
this to others is moral.
SM:
CAPITALISM has existed for centuries and leaves no room
for truly representative government, be it socialism or
any kind of truly free market.
MJ:
A Free Market is possible in *any* economic setting.
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SM:
Precisely my point.
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Capitalism, however, means the complete separation of
economy and state, just like the separation of church
and state.
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SM:
Avoiding arguing over definitions, what I was asserting that has existed for
centuries is the dynamic that those who have amassed the most make a vast
majority of the decisions that affect the world's populace, geo-tectonic
plates aside.
Basically if I had all the food in the world in a huge storage shed and had
the armed guards to defend it [well fed ones of course] I could dictate my
reality to everyone. The only way to remedy that is to take it back. Yes,
I did say TAKE.
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Capitalism is the only politico-economic system
based on the doctrine of individual rights.
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SM:
Capital being the root word of capitalism, I suppose it stands to reason
that having a lot of capital is the essence of the ism. So according to
CAPTIAListic principle, those who already have almost everything ought to
run our lives, even if they took it by force, which, I would suggest, is the
only way that 2% of a group can own 90% of its assets. Such LITERAL
capitalism exists quite rampantly now.
As far as capitalism being the only politico-economic system based on the
doctrine of individual rights, allow me to offer the following link:
http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/sp001636.html
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SM:
When manipulators have amassed much of what they cannot
use, usually by force, forcibly redistributing wealth
is MORAL.
MJ:
THEFT is never moral.
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SM:
You obviously believe that if I walk into your garage and take your car that
it would make me the rightful owner. You also state that if you attempted
to reclaim it that it would make you a thief. What culture did you grow up
in? Capitalism?
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SM:
It is precisely because of attitudes like the one you
put forth that a truly free market has never existed.
MJ:
In another thread you stated:
In the meantime, we need not attack ANYONE for merely
stating a fact. That only contributes to further
hesitation to state facts in the future and only
serves ignorance, as a result.
Why is it you cannot follow your own advice as I have merely
stated a FACT?
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SM:
Silly man. I never did anything but address the points you made and never
attacked you for whining, as I believe you did with Prudy. I expected you
to respond and looked forward to more debate. I did NOT essentially tell
you to either put up, shut up, or pick up your gun. THAT is what YOU did.
If in opining that your attitude is part of the problem with the current
global power dynamic was interpreted as "quit talking," then I am sorry that
you misunderstood. I did not agree with your statement nor your stance so I
said so. I did NOT tell you that you were whining and that if you were not
going to do something about it that you should shutup. That, my friend, is
a significant difference.
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